Canon Dimensions

[Stattick]

I'm trying to compile a list of canon dimensions for the Palladium Megaverse. I'm also looking for pocket dimensions, particularly those connected to Rifts Earth. Here's what I have so far. What did I miss?

Rifts Earth
Astral Plane
Dream Stream
Elemental
* Central Plane of the Elementals
* Plane of Earth
* Plane of Air
* Plane of Water
* Plane of Fire
Wormwood
Phase World
After the Bomb
Heroes Unlimited
Palladium
Shadowplane
Garbage Pit
Great Machine
Chaos Earth
* Pre-Cataclysm
Chaotic Space
Mechanoid Space
Systems Failure
Ninjas & Superspies
Beyond the Supernatural
Nightbane
* Nightlands
Arsenal
Hades
Dyval
Skraypers
Axion
Alternate of another dimension
Ash Lands
Deific Realm
* Asgard
* Labyrinth
Phantasm
Necropolon
Eylor
Pocket Dimension or anomaly
* City of Brass
* Psyscape
* Yucatan
* Fadetowns
* D-Shifting Region
* Spires
Time Rift
Robotech
Splicers

[Nekira Sudacne]

You've missed a few.

Yin Caverns-- Mystic china
Lord of the Deeps native oceanic realm -- Rifts Lemuria
Realm of the Spirits: Spirit West

actually, if your going to list devine realms and hell dimensions, grab pantheons of the megaverse and dragons and gods. another dozen or two are mentioned between them, as well as references to other dimensions the gods operate in


also, could you speficy what level of detail you want? because throughout the books there's dozens of D-bee writeups and NPC's who breifly mention a strange world they're from or have been to and nothing more about it. if you count all the offhand one-off references this list probablly be in the hundreds.

Hells of the Yama Kings--devine realm, also dimensional anomaly as these were fused with parts of asia in Rifts china

actually, if your going to list hells and devine realms, just get pantheons of the megaverse and dragons and gods. there's like, at least two dozen missing from your list between them

[nilgravity]

Skraypers is actually in the same dimension as phase world, it's just in an unexplored sector. Are we including Rifters? I haven't read it yet but I'm pretty sure I have one about a pocket dimension with amoeba men

[glitterboy2098]

does the Astral Plain count as 1 dimension or three? its has three regions, (outer, inner, void), each which is effectively it's own dimension.

[Stattick]

You've missed a few.

Yin Caverns-- Mystic china
Lord of the Deeps native oceanic realm -- Rifts Lemuria
Realm of the Spirits: Spirit West

Thanks!

actually, if your going to list devine realms and hell dimensions, grab pantheons of the megaverse and dragons and gods. another dozen or two are mentioned between them, as well as references to other dimensions the gods operate in

At this time, I'm not terribly worried about them. I'm just covering them under "Deific realms" at the moment.

also, could you speficy what level of detail you want? because throughout the books there's dozens of D-bee writeups and NPC's who breifly mention a strange world they're from or have been to and nothing more about it. if you count all the offhand one-off references this list probablly be in the hundreds.

I don't want to include the one off mentions at this time. What I might do instead, is list "Home world to a DB race".

Hells of the Yama Kings--devine realm, also dimensional anomaly as these were fused with parts of asia in Rifts china

actually, if your going to list hells and devine realms, just get pantheons of the megaverse and dragons and gods. there's like, at least two dozen missing from your list between them

I thought of a few more:

Slave or concurred world
* Splugie slave world
* Demon slave world
* Devil slave world
* Naruni slave world
Home world to a DB race
Spirit of Light realm



What I'm doing is trying to make a faster/better "random dimension" table than what's in the Megaverse Builder, for my (multi-page) GM screen. I'm going to make two versions: one to post on the forums, and one for personal use that includes some personal dimensions and some stuff that's inspired by IP's that Palladium doesn't have a right to.

[Nekira Sudacne]

I thought spirits of light were native to the astral plane?

[Stattick]

I thought spirits of light were native to the astral plane?

Are they? I'm not really very familiar with them.

[Nekira Sudacne]

I checked and I was wrong. You are correct, they are native to an unkown dimension they never discuss with others, however their native state is an astral spirit form, and they have to sacrafise power to manifest a body to interact with mortals.

[Nightmask]

Skraypers is actually in the same dimension as phase world, it's just in an unexplored sector. Are we including Rifters? I haven't read it yet but I'm pretty sure I have one about a pocket dimension with amoeba men

Since when did Skraypers become part of Phase World?

[Nightmask]

Skraypers is actually in the same dimension as phase world, it's just in an unexplored sector. Are we including Rifters? I haven't read it yet but I'm pretty sure I have one about a pocket dimension with amoeba men

Since when did Skraypers become part of Phase World?

It's part of the Three Galaxies.

Where does it explicitly state that?

[Nekira Sudacne]

it's actually located in either the corkscrew galaxy in phase world OR it's located in a corkscrew-like galaxy in heroes unlimited, depending on if it's an MDC or SDC game in your universe.

[Looonatic]

Skraypers is actually in the same dimension as phase world, it's just in an unexplored sector. Are we including Rifters? I haven't read it yet but I'm pretty sure I have one about a pocket dimension with amoeba men

Since when did Skraypers become part of Phase World?

It's part of the Three Galaxies.

Where does it explicitly state that?

Skraypers pg 127.

[Subjugator]

Manhunter dimension.

[Johnathan]

Thraxus' White Tower is rumored to be its own pocket dimension since it appears larger on the inside then on the outside and seems to frequent change its own interior, sometimes radically.

The fabled Palladium of Desires was said to be a dimensional realm unto itself, much like the White Tower.

The Ever Glade - I MIGHT have the name wrong. It's a magical item in Palladium (referenced, I think, in Northern Hinterlands) that is, in essence, a portable dimension pocket that the user can escape to (along with some others). It has the appearance of a green glade but lacks food & water, so if you go in, best be prepared.

The Land of the Damned - again, this area is said to be several times larger than what is geographically possible.

The unnamed pocket dimension that Atlantis got transported into during that whole "Mega-Planet-Draining-Rift-Accident-Thing" that the True Atlanteans caused (way to go, jerks...)

Would Tartarus or any of the dimensional prisons count in here...? I know Tartarus falls under a deific realm, but what about all those dimensional prisons that are -constantly- being referenced?

[Nekira Sudacne]

What is the canon status of Rifts Manhunter?

After the license reverted back to Myrmidon Press was Manhunter still considered an official part of Rifts? And what is the canon status of the Manhunter universe as a whole? It was further detailed and expanded in Manhunter: Into the Bloodhood which was never adapted to Rifts. And lastly what is the canon status of creatures from the Manhunter universe such as the Mulka?

I'm asking because our group recently had this discussion.

Thank you.

The offical status is that Manhunter has no place in the palladium megaverse in any way, nor does the licence permit them to do otherwise.

Those who have a copy of the book are free to use it though.

[Zamion138]

Is mechaniod space anouther dimension or just a distent corner of space???

[Stattick]

I checked and I was wrong. You are correct, they are native to an unkown dimension they never discuss with others, however their native state is an astral spirit form, and they have to sacrafise power to manifest a body to interact with mortals.

Ok, undescribed dimension where things are probably very weird: doesn't go on the list.


So far, I have:


After the Bomb
Alien or Vampiric Intelligence's Dimension
- - - - Necropolon (ruled by Vampiric Intelligence)
Arsenal (Three Galaxies; arms market)
Ash Lands (4 Horsemen)
Astral Plane
- - - - Outer
- - - - Inner
- - - - Void
Axion (Sky Islands)
Beyond the Supernatural
Chaos Earth
- - - - Pre-Cataclysm
Chaotic Space (Dying Galaxy invading Central Plane of Elementals)
DB race's homeworld
Deific Realm
- - - - Asgard
- - - - Labyrinth
Dimensional Prison
Dream Stream
Dyval
Elemental
- - - - Central Plane of the Elementals
- - - - Plane of Earth
- - - - Plane of Air
- - - - Plane of Water
- - - - Plane of Fire
Eylor
Garbage Pit
Great Machine
Hades
Heroes Unlimited
- - - - Alien World
Mechanoid Space
Nightbane
- - - - Nightlands
Ninjas & Superspies
Palladium
Palladium of Desires
Parallel Dimension
Phantasm (sentient illusions)
Phase World/Three Galaxies
Pocket Dimension
- - - - City of Brass
- - - - D-Shifting Region
- - - - Fadetowns
- - - - Hells of the Yama Kings
- - - - Land of the Damned
- - - - Lord of the Deeps realm
- - - - Portable Pocket Dimension
- - - - Psyscape
- - - - Realm of the Spirits
- - - - Spires
- - - - Yin Caverns
- - - - Yucatan
Rifts Earth
Robotech
Shadowplane
Skraypers
Slave or Concurred World/Dimension
- - - - Splugie slave world
- - - - Demon slave world
- - - - Devil slave world
- - - - Naruni slave world
Splicers
Systems Failure
The Land of the Damned
Time Rift
Wormwood

[SittingBull]

Manhunter dimension.

Beat me to it, good show.

[Nekira Sudacne]

Is mechaniod space anouther dimension or just a distent corner of space???

it's explictly another dimension.

[MaxxSterling]

When the list is completed, it'd be nice to see at least 1 book referenced for each, showing where these places are described. For Example:

Wormwood : Wormwood
Federation of Magic : City of Brass
et cetera

[Ectoplasmic Bidet]

The Dreamtime dimension associated with Australia.

[Subjugator]

What is the canon status of Rifts Manhunter?

After the license reverted back to Myrmidon Press was Manhunter still considered an official part of Rifts? And what is the canon status of the Manhunter universe as a whole? It was further detailed and expanded in Manhunter: Into the Bloodhood which was never adapted to Rifts. And lastly what is the canon status of creatures from the Manhunter universe such as the Mulka?

I'm asking because our group recently had this discussion.

Thank you.

The offical status is that Manhunter has no place in the palladium megaverse in any way, nor does the licence permit them to do otherwise.

Those who have a copy of the book are free to use it though.

Where'd you see that? I was previously told by Kev that it's canonical.

/Sub

[Kagashi]

A few things:

-Chaos Earth and Rifts Earth are the same dimension, separated by time. Should this be called "Rifts Prime"?
-There are arguments both for and against that BtS is also part of that same dimension, again separated by time.
-Macross II should be on that list.
-TMNT should be on that list. Similar, but fundamentally different than AtB.
-It can be argued Robotech 1st edition and 2nd edition are two separate dimensions. This actually came into play in a Rifts game I was in. I made a character that was rifted to Rifts Earth back when 1st edition was still around. I role played him with knowledge of the EBSIS, my Wolverine Assault Rifle looked a lot like my Wolfe auto pistol with extra attachments but were very different weapons, and I called my organization the "REF". Later 2nd edition was released and another player came in, calling his organization the "UEEF", called a completely different rifle the "Wolverine Assault Rifle" and had no idea who the EBSIS was. But we both recognized we rode Cyclones, knew who the Invid were, and recognized we were very similar.

[Killer Cyborg]

The "Dimension of Death" from the Avaxa's Gate adventure in PFRPG Book IV Adventures in the Northern Wilderness.

Kirby World, from p. 105 of Transdimensional TMNT (originally appeared in the Donatello micro-series comic book by Mirage Studios)

[Nightmask]

A few things:

-Chaos Earth and Rifts Earth are the same dimension, separated by time. Should this be called "Rifts Prime"?
-There are arguments both for and against that BtS is also part of that same dimension, again separated by time.
-Macross II should be on that list.
-TMNT should be on that list. Similar, but fundamentally different than AtB.
-It can be argued Robotech 1st edition and 2nd edition are two separate dimensions. This actually came into play in a Rifts game I was in. I made a character that was rifted to Rifts Earth back when 1st edition was still around. I role played him with knowledge of the EBSIS, my Wolverine Assault Rifle looked a lot like my Wolfe auto pistol with extra attachments but were very different weapons, and I called my organization the "REF". Later 2nd edition was released and another player came in, calling his organization the "UEEF", called a completely different rifle the "Wolverine Assault Rifle" and had no idea who the EBSIS was. But we both recognized we rode Cyclones, knew who the Invid were, and recognized we were very similar.

I like that!

[taalismn]

Agreed...two seperate Robotech universes makes for some intriguing possibilities.

[Grand Paladin]

Dimension of Light from Rifts World Book 2: Atlantis

[drewkitty ~..~]

Skraypers is actually in the same dimension as phase world, it's just in an unexplored sector. Are we including Rifters? I haven't read it yet but I'm pretty sure I have one about a pocket dimension with amoeba men

Since when did Skraypers become part of Phase World?

It's part of the Three Galaxies.

Scrapers is it's own dimension. It is optionally a part of the 3G if the GM wants it to be. This 3G option is a part of the options listed in the back of the book.
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RT....due to licencing agreemants RT2 is not apart of the PB Megaverce. RT1..*shrugs* depends on how much lawyer you have in the blood if it is or not. If you want to err on the side of safe then 'not'.
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The astral plan is three distinct places, inner, outer, and void.
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Manhunter dimension.

not anymore....
I would say that it was; but only if you have the book. Otherwise it is no
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Anding to the list...
The Mirrorwall. As in the two "walk the Mirrorwall" spells. Through the glass darkly book
The LOTD pocket dimension (Lemuria) that was set up as an escape bubble by the LOTD when the magic went dark.

[Nightmask]

The Astral Plane is debatable whether or not it's one plane or if there are parallel versions of it associated with each dimension that has Astral access. There's nothing to suggest you could enter the Astral plane in say the Heroes Unlimited universe and walk out on Beyond the Supernatural Earth. The option of maybe pulling that off from the Void reads much like trying to open a standard rift or trigger a Dimensional Teleport spell.

[Nekira Sudacne]

What is the canon status of Rifts Manhunter?

After the license reverted back to Myrmidon Press was Manhunter still considered an official part of Rifts? And what is the canon status of the Manhunter universe as a whole? It was further detailed and expanded in Manhunter: Into the Bloodhood which was never adapted to Rifts. And lastly what is the canon status of creatures from the Manhunter universe such as the Mulka?

I'm asking because our group recently had this discussion.

Thank you.

The offical status is that Manhunter has no place in the palladium megaverse in any way, nor does the licence permit them to do otherwise.

Those who have a copy of the book are free to use it though.

Where'd you see that? I was previously told by Kev that it's canonical.

/Sub

When I read the nature of the licencing dispute. I could be wrong, but unless I misunderstood the nature of the licincing dispute/reversion, I don't think Kevin has the legal right to make that claim. did he go into detail? If palladium does retain some sort of right to manhunter i'd really like to know what.

[Subjugator]

When I read the nature of the licencing dispute. I could be wrong, but unless I misunderstood the nature of the licincing dispute/reversion, I don't think Kevin has the legal right to make that claim. did he go into detail? If palladium does retain some sort of right to manhunter i'd really like to know what.

I don't know why he'd not have the right to make that claim. "That book remains a part of the Rifts universe." I don't know that he retains *rights* to it. He just said it's part of the universe. It doesn't mean he can develop it further.

IIRC, it came up at the first Open House. People were asking about licensed material during the big Q&A upstairs and I think his answer was, "Sure, if you can find one!"

/Sub

[Nekira Sudacne]

When I read the nature of the licencing dispute. I could be wrong, but unless I misunderstood the nature of the licincing dispute/reversion, I don't think Kevin has the legal right to make that claim. did he go into detail? If palladium does retain some sort of right to manhunter i'd really like to know what.

I don't know why he'd not have the right to make that claim. "That book remains a part of the Rifts universe." I don't know that he retains *rights* to it. He just said it's part of the universe. It doesn't mean he can develop it further.

IIRC, it came up at the first Open House. People were asking about licensed material during the big Q&A upstairs and I think his answer was, "Sure, if you can find one!"

/Sub

I'm not too sure what he meant by that. It sounds like he was just saying "If you can find a book, you can use it with Rifts", which is of course true, loosing a licence dosn't negate the presence of previously licenced works. does that sound right?

[glitterboy2098]

The Astral Plane is debatable whether or not it's one plane or if there are parallel versions of it associated with each dimension that has Astral access. There's nothing to suggest you could enter the Astral plane in say the Heroes Unlimited universe and walk out on Beyond the Supernatural Earth. The option of maybe pulling that off from the Void reads much like trying to open a standard rift or trigger a Dimensional Teleport spell.

going by the description in the nightbane book..

each universe in the megaverse has its own outer plane.
the inner plain is connected to the entire megaverse, and not unique to specific universes. (as evidenced by the fact if you follow the dragon roads you can go anywhere in the megaverse)
the void is similarly linked to the entire megaverse, and not to a specific universe. (as evidenced by the fact a person in the void can will themselves to anywhere in the megaverse)

[Subjugator]

I'm not too sure what he meant by that. It sounds like he was just saying "If you can find a book, you can use it with Rifts", which is of course true, loosing a licence dosn't negate the presence of previously licenced works. does that sound right?

Yeah, but Kev didn't have the license. They did, and they apparently violated it in some way. No details on that. There are things that I'm tempted to bug him about, but I don't like asking him about rulings and the like; it seems a bit too much like when people would ask me to fix their computers when I did that for a living.

/Sub

[Nekira Sudacne]

Yeah, but Kev didn't have the license. They did, and they apparently violated it in some way. No details on that. There are things that I'm tempted to bug him about, but I don't like asking him about rulings and the like; it seems a bit too much like when people would ask me to fix their computers when I did that for a living.

/Sub

Ah! Hmm. Well, if the violation is on Myrmidions end, then the status of Rifts manhunter is tricker than I thought it was. sadly i'm not a copyright laywer and the specifics would depend on the exact terms of the contract anyway. I agree, asking Kevin would be too much.

It dosn't matter to me anyway. I'm fortunate enough to have a copy of Manhunter, and I still use it

[Tor]

To get technical, Dyval actually isn't a dimension so much as a bunch of dimensions stacked together. Arguably also with the astral plane and dreamstream.

Psyscape while somewhat of an anomaly due to PsyNex seems pretty straight forwardly an Astral Kingdom with multiple doors to the real world since you can enter it at all sides.

Also I am wondering if for organizational purposes we could divide these dimensions by book they are mentioned in? It would be easier to check what was or wasn't included from a given sourcebook and what sourcebooks were not consulted.

I believe there was some kind of demon dimension mentioned in Vampire Kingdoms for example. Down in Central America.

[The Beast]

To get technical, Dyval actually isn't a dimension so much as a bunch of dimensions stacked together. Arguably also with the astral plane and dreamstream.

Psyscape while somewhat of an anomaly due to PsyNex seems pretty straight forwardly an Astral Kingdom with multiple doors to the real world since you can enter it at all sides.

Also I am wondering if for organizational purposes we could divide these dimensions by book they are mentioned in? It would be easier to check what was or wasn't included from a given sourcebook and what sourcebooks were not consulted.

I believe there was some kind of demon dimension mentioned in Vampire Kingdoms for example. Down in Central America.

The entire Yucatan Peninsula is a pocket dimension (that might be what you're thinking of).

[kaid]

Skraypers is actually in the same dimension as phase world, it's just in an unexplored sector. Are we including Rifters? I haven't read it yet but I'm pretty sure I have one about a pocket dimension with amoeba men

Since when did Skraypers become part of Phase World?

It always was it talks about its location in the skraypers book although it can be used on own it is listed as part of the phase world dimension.

[cornholioprime]

Is mechaniod space anouther dimension or just a distent corner of space???

Unclear.

In some parts of the same Book -Rifts: The Mechanoids -the Author states that the Ms are in a distant galaxy hundreds of thousands of light-years from Earth (implying that they are in the same universe).

But then, in other parts of the Book, he repeatedly refers to dimensional portals (implying that they are from somewhere else).

In the "early" days of Palladium Rifts Books, Kevin seemingly tried to cram as many non-Palladium World game settings into the same universe as Rifts as he could; at one point, the Earth of Beyond The Supernatural, Heroes Unlimited, Rifts, and possibly even After The Bomb were all just different points in time on the same planet Earth that would later become Rifts Earth of the 23rd Century.

The writing in the Mechanoids Sourcebook has, to me, the 'flavor' of being one such early Book (I don't have any of the Books in the original series, so I can't compare or determine if the newer Book is full of cut-and-paste or its own creation).