Who would be the CS's WORSE Nightmare for a war against ?

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:19 pm

Who would be the CS's WORSE Nightmare for a war against ?

(No Atlantis please as thats the easy answer, I am looking for your opinions on the subject with out Atlantis)

EDIT:

I should have stated for here on Rifts Earth ..

AzathothXy · Unread post by **AzathothXy** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:26 pm

Old Ones
Dominators
Mulka

johnkretzer · Unread post by **johnkretzer** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:37 pm

Well anyone creates potential problems...
The Fed. of Magic: Imagine Tolkeen...but a 1000 times worse.
Lazlo: Doesn't look like much but alliews and heroes would be coming out of the wood work.
Kingsdale: See above except some of the people going to it's defense won't so nice.
Merctown: see above

It is tough to say really who would the WORSE Nightmare...a easier question is who wouldn't be.

Danger · Unread post by **Danger** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:37 pm

Themselves.

Dustin Fireblade · Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:48 pm

Lenwen wrote:Who would be the CS's WORSE Nightmare for a war against ?

(No Atlantis please as thats the easy answer, I am looking for your opinions on the subject with out Atlantis)

On Rifts Earth?

The Native Americans.

-they pretty much surround the CS. As such the CS couldn't concentrate their forces as effectively.
-use both magic and tech
-could receive aid from Psi-Stalkers (who feel they might ultimately receive better treatment from the Preserves)

csbioborg · Unread post by **csbioborg** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:50 pm

Dustin Fireblade wrote:
Lenwen wrote:Who would be the CS's WORSE Nightmare for a war against ?

(No Atlantis please as thats the easy answer, I am looking for your opinions on the subject with out Atlantis)

On Rifts Earth?

The Native Americans.

-they pretty much surround the CS. As such the CS couldn't concentrate their forces as effectively.
-use both magic and tech
-could receive aid from Psi-Stalkers (who feel they might ultimately receive better treatment from the Preserves)

they are no more a cohesive power bloc than the indians were back before we conquered them

I'd say archie
he has enough resources and hi tech to make them hurt bad

Khanibal · Unread post by **Khanibal** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:58 pm

ARCHIE's a wuss. All he does is watch and plot. The world would go up in flames and he'd still be on the sidelines. I like Danger's answer.

Danger wrote:Themselves.

Imagine a real civil war between differeing coalition factions. An attempted coup, led by military elites tired of seeing Prosek after Prosek on the throne.

DracoMagus · Unread post by **DracoMagus** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:40 pm

I'm not sure about what their "worst nightmare" would be, but I can imagine that if a few groups decided to put their collective efforts into it, they could make the CS have a Really bad day. Imagine if the Preserves started a guerrilla style war, along with the Black Market supplying them as well as some Merc Companies. Another element that I could see, though it'd be really unlikely, is that a fringe group of Cyber Knights jumps into the mix as well.

Maybe not something that'd crush the empire, but it'd still make for the CS havin p***y cheerios all the same.

Dustin Fireblade · Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:47 pm

csbioborg wrote:
Dustin Fireblade wrote:
Lenwen wrote:Who would be the CS's WORSE Nightmare for a war against ?

(No Atlantis please as thats the easy answer, I am looking for your opinions on the subject with out Atlantis)

On Rifts Earth?

The Native Americans.

-they pretty much surround the CS. As such the CS couldn't concentrate their forces as effectively.
-use both magic and tech
-could receive aid from Psi-Stalkers (who feel they might ultimately receive better treatment from the Preserves)

they are no more a cohesive power bloc than the indians were back before we conquered them

I'd say archie
he has enough resources and hi tech to make them hurt bad

If the Native Americans could unite though, I think they could cause the CS fits. When the Pure Ones returned they were very united, so it could happen.

keir451 · Unread post by **keir451** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:52 pm

Yama Kings, Warlords of Russia, Sovietski, Vampires, New Navy.

csbioborg · Unread post by **csbioborg** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:01 pm

keir451 wrote:Yama Kings, Warlords of Russia, Sovietski, Vampires, New Navy.

New Navy would get punked bad

vampires would get beat up easy in a war

wood and silver ftw

Rallan · Unread post by **Rallan** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:43 am

Transgalactic Empire. Seriously guys, this one's a no-brainer

keir451 · Unread post by **keir451** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:04 am

csbioborg wrote:
keir451 wrote:Yama Kings, Warlords of Russia, Sovietski, Vampires, New Navy.

New Navy would get punked bad

vampires would get beat up easy in a war

wood and silver ftw

As the New Navy stands now, yes, give them an alliance with Japan and Australia? No way.
The CS would lose a lot of people to the Vampires initially (if the CS tried to fight conventially) soon tho' the CS would get tired of the losses just nuke Mexico into oblivion. There's nothing there the CS wants any way.

Danger · Unread post by **Danger** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:28 pm

Khanibal wrote:ARCHIE's a wuss. All he does is watch and plot. The world would go up in flames and he'd still be on the sidelines. I like Danger's answer.

Danger wrote:Themselves.

Imagine a real civil war between differeing coalition factions. An attempted coup, led by military elites tired of seeing Prosek after Prosek on the throne.

Thanks! I'm surprised that more people haven't considered this.

Prosek's power is based on everyone accepting/following him as leader. A civil war or uprising from within would be his worst nightmare.

The main thing that makes them such a threat is that they are a united force. This makes them feared, and powerful. If the Coalition fragments from within, all of this would crumble. Plus, it would leave them open to their other enemies and the remaining fragments could be easily crushed or further scattered.

That's their worst nightmare.

johnkretzer · Unread post by **johnkretzer** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:04 pm

Danger wrote:
Khanibal wrote:ARCHIE's a wuss. All he does is watch and plot. The world would go up in flames and he'd still be on the sidelines. I like Danger's answer.

Danger wrote:Themselves.

Imagine a real civil war between differeing coalition factions. An attempted coup, led by military elites tired of seeing Prosek after Prosek on the throne.

Thanks! I'm surprised that more people haven't considered this.

Prosek's power is based on everyone accepting/following him as leader. A civil war or uprising from within would be his worst nightmare.

The main thing that makes them such a threat is that they are a united force. This makes them feared, and powerful. If the Coalition fragments from within, all of this would crumble. Plus, it would leave them open to their other enemies and the remaining fragments could be easily crushed or further scattered.

That's their worst nightmare.

I disagree that is Prosek's worst nightmare...not neccessarily the CS...after a coup attempt depending on the leadership that emerges you might have a stronger CS.

Balabanto · Unread post by **Balabanto** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:14 pm

I actually doubt the OP is talking about a coup attempt. The real issue is that once it fragments, everyone has to sit back and let them fight. Mercenaries will profit the most, assuming no nation or nation state OPENLY sends a real military force. A significant attack by an outside force would reunite the Coalition in fury and rage.

Elthbert · Unread post by **Elthbert** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:22 pm

Danger wrote:
Khanibal wrote:ARCHIE's a wuss. All he does is watch and plot. The world would go up in flames and he'd still be on the sidelines. I like Danger's answer.

Danger wrote:Themselves.

Imagine a real civil war between differeing coalition factions. An attempted coup, led by military elites tired of seeing Prosek after Prosek on the throne.

Thanks! I'm surprised that more people haven't considered this.

Prosek's power is based on everyone accepting/following him as leader. A civil war or uprising from within would be his worst nightmare.

The main thing that makes them such a threat is that they are a united force. This makes them feared, and powerful. If the Coalition fragments from within, all of this would crumble. Plus, it would leave them open to their other enemies and the remaining fragments could be easily crushed or further scattered.

That's their worst nightmare.

this is why purges were invented.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:02 pm

[quote="Balabanto"]I actually doubt the OP is talking about a coup attempt./quote]
You would be right, I am talking about a war .. Not a coup attempt.

Danger · Unread post by **Danger** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:12 am

johnkretzer wrote:I disagree that is Prosek's worst nightmare...not neccessarily the CS...after a coup attempt depending on the leadership that emerges you might have a stronger CS.

Prosek is the Coalition.

You're also assuming that there will be someone ready to instantly fill the power vacuum left by Prosek's death, and the transition will be a smooth one.

Danger · Unread post by **Danger** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:15 am

Balabanto wrote:I actually doubt the OP is talking about a coup attempt. The real issue is that once it fragments, everyone has to sit back and let them fight. Mercenaries will profit the most, assuming no nation or nation state OPENLY sends a real military force. A significant attack by an outside force would reunite the Coalition in fury and rage.

The OP also asked for 'not the easy answer', which I have supplied. I'm also not talking about a coup attempt, but a full blown civil war.

Danger · Unread post by **Danger** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:15 am

Lenwen wrote:
Balabanto wrote:I actually doubt the OP is talking about a coup attempt.

You would be right, I am talking about a war .. Not a coup attempt.

A Civil War is still a war, which is what I am suggesting. Not a simple coup attempt. I'm sure that's happened plenty of times.

sHaka · Unread post by **sHaka** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 7:55 pm

Iron Manticore wrote:Yes, you can't nuke vamps...but you can nuke their food!

Making them migrate north quicker..en masse?

[arnie]

I love nooked fooooooood

[/arnie]

TechnoGothic · Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:24 am

XITICIX WAR
VAMPIRE WAR

LONESTAR WAR (Crazy Bradford might try to leave if he saw Karl as a Non-God for a change).
Cs vs Dogboys, Mutant Animals galore...plus whatever bradford has been grownig. Maybe the Jannisaries. Ohh JANNISARY WAR !!!

NIGHTLORD WAR

ATLANTIS WAR

NGR WAR

and could go and on.

AdmTolval · Unread post by **AdmTolval** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:51 am

Civil War - Gen. Holmes
Behind the scenes War - Republicans/Archie
Full "In your face" War - Megaversal Legion

AdmTolval · Unread post by **AdmTolval** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:13 pm

Well, I thought about possible nightmare scenerios for Prosek. One could be some issue or event splits the thinking of the government. Of course, the loyalists would stick with Prosek but what if Gen. Holmes joined the other side? Holmes is not one of the elite. He is a war hero. A grunt's grunt. His pressence would carry weight with the military. Think back to WWII with Rommel. He was a war hero but sided against Hitler. If his opposition had been know to the whole of Germany, Hitler could have been overthrown. While Bradford would make a good villian, he would not have the charisma like Holmes to sway popular opinion and support. The same goes for Drogue if he is still alive in your campaign.

DracoMagus · Unread post by **DracoMagus** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:10 am

AdmTolval wrote:Civil War - Gen. Holmes
Behind the scenes War - Republicans/Archie
Full "In your face" War - Megaversal Legion

Better yet, All three of these at once.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:18 am

DracoMagus wrote:
AdmTolval wrote:Civil War - Gen. Holmes
Behind the scenes War - Republicans/Archie
Full "In your face" War - Megaversal Legion

Better yet, All three of these at once.

I like it ..

Repubs attack Archie .. threw Gen Holmes .. Archie highers Megaversal Legion to throw off the CS/Repub attack .. and to not draw un-needed attention to his (archies) base of ops ..

:-P

Khanibal · Unread post by **Khanibal** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:53 pm

Yeah, I was having a hard time trying to figure out why ML would even bother, but then you reminded me. Mercenaries.

DracoMagus · Unread post by **DracoMagus** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:34 pm

I was leaving the why's for whoever decided to pick it up. Even the little grains of ideas I had for reasons had them doing so for their own seperate reasons, but still striking at the same time.

DracoMagus · Unread post by **DracoMagus** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:51 pm

Would the Coalition making Kansas an official state give sufficient cause for the tribes to unify though?

I ask because I remember reading in one of the books (I can't remember which) about a group in Kansas that was a peaceful one and accepted folks that was human and d-bee. They also said something along the lines of if the CS should decide to make Kansas an official state that this group would most likely be destroyed.

Seeing as the ones who started this are a tribe of NA (don't ask me which), would the CS taking action be a sufficient reason to bring the other tribes together in the defense of them? I'm already pretty sure there would be some Cyber Knights involved in the conflict as well.

This is just a little something the post above me got me thinking about.

killhound · Unread post by **killhound** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:37 pm

any and all of those situations however damaging to prosek and how bad do you think it would be for john q public the real question is who would be left standing after it all

ShadowLogan · Unread post by **ShadowLogan** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:36 am

Worst CS Nightmare? A multi-front war on a much wider scale than the CS-Token/FQ conflict. You have the Bugs in the North. FoM and Pecos Raiders to the South. Psycape and Nxla to the SE. Lazlos to the NE. Shems to the East. To the NW you have the Demon Kingdom of Calgary. This assumes that FQ and the UP kingdoms don't turn on the CS as they are not CS members. (I'm sure there are some blocs I'm missing).

Even more distrubing would be if several of these factions formed an alliance(s) and corridinated their efforts in this multi-front war. Some of the blocs might not form an alliance (Bugs, possibly the Shems) or more picky about their partners in it (FQ, Lazlo, Psycape, possibly the Shems). Some might not even be the aggressors in this war with the CS (ex. FQ, Lazlos, Pyscape).

Balabanto · Unread post by **Balabanto** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:23 pm

Iron Manticore wrote:
sHaka wrote:
Iron Manticore wrote:Yes, you can't nuke vamps...but you can nuke their food!

Making them migrate north quicker..en masse?

I didn't say it was a good idea...

So wrong. Just soooo wrong. That was hilarous.

keir451 · Unread post by **keir451** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:25 pm

Iron Manticore wrote:Yes, you can't nuke vamps...but you can nuke their food!

Are vampires a carbon based lifeform? Yes. Do nuclear weapons destroy everything that is at the point of impact. Yes. Therefore common logic (and common sense) dictates that if Mexico city were to be struck w/a nuclear weapon, then everything in that city would cease to exist. I will continue to ignore the stupidity of nuclear weapons being incapable of destroying vampires.

Khanibal · Unread post by **Khanibal** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:47 pm

Has anyone mentioned the Old-Ones yet?

keir451 · Unread post by **keir451** » Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:50 pm

Khanibal wrote:Has anyone mentioned the Old-Ones yet?

RUN AWAY!!!!

Nomadic · Unread post by **Nomadic** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:41 pm

DUH! Simple, Anyone that could control the Lazers from Space PEW PEW!

As far as ON Rifts Earth, I would have to say The Neruni SP? Phase Weapons FTW.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:23 pm

Nomadic wrote:DUH! Simple, Anyone that could control the Lazers from Space PEW PEW!

OMFG HAHAHAHAHA

This post made me nose spill my milk !!!

:lol:

outta a possible 6 !!

Vrykolas2k · Unread post by **Vrykolas2k** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:03 pm

Lenwen wrote:
Nomadic wrote:DUH! Simple, Anyone that could control the Lazers from Space PEW PEW!

OMFG HAHAHAHAHA

This post made me nose spill my milk !!!

outta a possible 6 !!

Yes... yes.
I was drinking Guinness when I read that.

Nomadic · Unread post by **Nomadic** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:16 pm

Vrykolas2k wrote:
Lenwen wrote:
Nomadic wrote:DUH! Simple, Anyone that could control the Lazers from Space PEW PEW!

OMFG HAHAHAHAHA

This post made me nose spill my milk !!!

outta a possible 6 !!

Yes... yes.
I was drinking Guinness when I read that.

"One is Proud to be of service"

Crazy Lou · Unread post by **Crazy Lou** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:33 pm

Khanibal wrote:Has anyone mentioned the Old-Ones yet?

Um, first post, lol?

Crazy Lou · Unread post by **Crazy Lou** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:34 pm

keir451 wrote:
Iron Manticore wrote:Yes, you can't nuke vamps...but you can nuke their food!

Are vampires a carbon based lifeform? Yes. Do nuclear weapons destroy everything that is at the point of impact. Yes. Therefore common logic (and common sense) dictates that if Mexico city were to be struck w/a nuclear weapon, then everything in that city would cease to exist. I will continue to ignore the stupidity of nuclear weapons being incapable of destroying vampires.

were you the one I had a big debate with in the CS nukes thread?

In answer to OP, I'd say Yama Kings if you're strictly talking Rifts Earth (not PW, b/c that's cheating -- obviously a galactic empire vs tiny coalition of a handful of inferior technology wielding city states on a single continent is overkill). I don't know how a full out war b/t the Yama Kings and CS could come about really, but if it did, CS is screwed. They can't beat the chinese demons! It's like trying to kill an army when the army has a revolving door of resurrection permanently in effect. The Yama Kings wouldn't even need strategy! They could just throw demons at the CS until it didn't exist anymore.

Or Lord of the Deep. Since they'll never work with a circle of wizards, wise and pure (or whatever -- I guess MAYBE the vanguard could fulfill this?), or the cosmic forge, or a magical flaming sword, or the splugorth/eyelor, they could never win. So sad for them...

glitterboy2098 · Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:49 pm

ShadowLogan wrote:Worst CS Nightmare? A multi-front war on a much wider scale than the CS-Token/FQ conflict. You have the Bugs in the North. FoM and Pecos Raiders to the South. Psycape and Nxla to the SE. Lazlos to the NE. Shems to the East. To the NW you have the Demon Kingdom of Calgary. This assumes that FQ and the UP kingdoms don't turn on the CS as they are not CS members. (I'm sure there are some blocs I'm missing).

"Only an idiot would fight a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne of the Kingdom of Idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts!"
given the way the CS Expands, this scenario is almost inevitable.

as is the idea of the non-aligned nations deciding to ally for mutual defense...imagine if the good FoM, Lazlo, Arzno, and the colorado baronies all teamed up...

Nomadic · Unread post by **Nomadic** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:52 pm

keir451 wrote:
Iron Manticore wrote:Yes, you can't nuke vamps...but you can nuke their food!

Are vampires a carbon based lifeform? Yes.

http://www.zippoc.com/blog/wp-content/u ... wrong1.jpg

Vampires are MAGICAL based lifeforms.

glitterboy2098 · Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:57 pm

they're corpses kept functioning through the presence of a magical energy being fragment.

and nukes don't destroy everything at ground zero. thats a popular misconception.
on the otherhand, it would cause the vamp to burst into flames from the heat, and the concussive force is likely to seperate the head from the body. but thats going ot be a low probability result. more likely it would be blown a good distance away, and would need to regerate it's body extensively.

Crazy Lou · Unread post by **Crazy Lou** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:01 pm

We DID have this conversation already........ I'm suuuurrrreeeeee of it.......

Khanibal · Unread post by **Khanibal** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:43 pm

No, only a small handful of people really felt it was right to go to war with FQ. Sure the troops marched on FQ, but their heart wasn't in it.

Khanibal · Unread post by **Khanibal** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:35 pm

and bits!

DracoMagus · Unread post by **DracoMagus** » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:31 pm

and bits and bits!

Another bad situation would be if NEMA were to just appear in their back yard, maybe with an army of the US military with them.

The topic said where they could come from, but didn't necessarily say when...

The Galactus Kid · Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:37 pm

duck-foot wrote:Triax and the NGR. why because it would show the CS people how depraved and evil Prosek really is by going to a war with another Human nation (FQ was diffirent, they seceded, whcih by right made the CS citizens see it has just). a war with Triax would not be in any way productive and in the end it would most likely leave a new form of government in the CS, after Karl is taken care of.

Not to mention that the NGR would totally PWN the CS.