Shadow wrote:The book says that because of the "no movement at all" you take no damage from attacks. What about the attacker? How much damage would he take from attackig you? Would it be just the amount of damage he was going to inflict on you? Would it be increased for hitting something so hard?
huh? he takes no damage for attacking you, you just take no damage. what made you think he'd take any? no different from attacking someone and rolling under their natural AR
Also, If you also have spin at high velocity and are using it, then decide to go hyperdense would you still spin for a while?
no, you utterly stop instantly
and another one, it increases density so how much weight does it add to you? I mean it has to doesn't it? The control density power adds weight.
well, technically hyperdencity increases your weight to Infity sinse you are infinatly dense which is why you can't move. one can only assume a secondary aspect of the power is to make your weight and gravational feild remain the same, otherwise you'd instnatly become a black hole that would suck in all matter in the universe.
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Ignore the laws of physics, they do not apply to this power.
If you want technical.. if you freeze in place when you activate the power, then the planet would carry on in it's orbital path (along with the rest of the solar system and the galaxy itself) and you would appear to shoot off at enormous speed as you come to a complete stop compared to everything else... that may be straight up, down or any angle in between, dependant on where you are on the planet at the time.
This, of course, is ridiculous in game terms... so we have to allow for a bit of fuzzy physics... some of the inertia stays with your character and they remain locked in position relative to the planet, etc.
This means that if they are spinning in mid air they will carry on spinning for a bit, and since they are hyper dense, they are now a spinning, indestructable object that will go through just about anything.. dependant on how fast they were going before they activated this power.. if they happened to be falling from orbit at the time with a rocket strapped to them.. well, that kind of G-force would proabably have killed them anyway..
It's tricky, because either scenario poses problems and allows the player to get away with some very nasty tricks.
Stand in path of freight train, activate power, train hits immovable object?
No, I don't think so.
I think the character will get hit by the train and get whacked back a few hundred feet by it, maybe get run over and derail the train as it rolls over top of his indestructably dense body.. but density is not about mass, it is about the force holding the atoms together in the character's body.
Same amount of atoms, just way more nuclear strong and nuclear weak binding power.. So much so that the atoms reach a super frozen state and simply can not be disturbed from their original configuration.. the character can put his arm between two massive girders and go hyperdense, one girder falls and is supported by the other girder and the invincible arm/rod now stuck between them... problem is, the character is stuck there as well, because if he deactivates the power, his arm gets lopped of instantly.
The other big danger is if the character tries to do a similar trick and gets hit with either a psionic attack or negation effect.. if he involantarilly shuts off the power, he could get very dead, very quickly.
And once again, the character doesn't increase in weight, the atoms in his body just stop moving and become super diamond hard.
Another way to look at this is this...
whats heavier -
2lb brick or 2lb pillow?
neither
both weigh the same, bu have different densities..
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Within reason, yes.. impact from orbit, certainly.. point blank impact of large thermonuclear warhead.. probably.. and they could also resist particle beam weapons as well, the atoms just don't ablate/move, so they will not be hurt.. however, they are still going to end up sitting in a white hot, radioactive crater.. or something to that effect, and thats tricky to deal with.
But yeah, they are tougher then an invulnerable person while the power is active.
Ironclad wrote:Are we talking totally indestructable here?
Falling from near orbit and walking away unscathed kind of indestructable?
Yes. Coming in from orbit, being hit by a *Trillion gigaton nuke. There's nothing in exsistance that can harm them.
*The power has a limited duration though. Some effects of an attack linger longer than the duration
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Can Hyper-Density withstand a direct hit from the Reflex Cannon, which "absolutely destroys everything in it's path"?
It'll be the "Teleport Thread" of the HU Forum...
Destroys everything that can actually be damaged.
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Can Hyper-Density withstand a direct hit from the Reflex Cannon, which "absolutely destroys everything in it's path"?
It'll be the "Teleport Thread" of the HU Forum...
Destroys everything that can actually be damaged.
That is never implicitly stated in the description of the Reflex Cannon.
The description does however use the terms "absolutely" and "everything", and "Everything" is bolded.
Hence the philosophical argument.
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Can Hyper-Density withstand a direct hit from the Reflex Cannon, which "absolutely destroys everything in it's path"?
It'll be the "Teleport Thread" of the HU Forum...
Destroys everything that can actually be damaged.
That is never implicitly stated in the description of the Reflex Cannon. The description does however use the terms "absolutely" and "everything", and "Everything" is bolded.
Hence the philosophical argument.
Ah. But remember.
Hyperdensity says NOTHING can destroy it. it's also an absolute.
AND--remember palladium combat rules.
"whenever the defender and attacker are tied, defender always wins"
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The Deific NMI wrote:Another way to look at this is this... whats heavier - 2lb brick or 2lb pillow? neither both weigh the same, bu have different densities..
And much different volumes... does the character compress his volume to increase his density?
Well if his volume is static and his density changed then his mass had to change. There could be no other way.
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i think "density" is just a word that was picked because it sounds like it's close to the effect, not that it's actually what happens. as it is stated, all movement down to the cellular movement is stopped. that really has nothing to do with real density as far as i know. but its just a word that sounds good and takes on a different meaning like, "concussive force."
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mainbox wrote:well what would happen if an unstoppable object hit and unmoveable object...
there would be an explosion of kittens!
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hyperdensity/extraordinary M.E. and stretching power were a nasty combo i threw at my PC's. and some other dirty tricks. that NPC gave them problems for a months.
jumped on the "brick's" face and went hyper dense. almost took him out that way.
Yukon wrote:i think "density" is just a word that was picked because it sounds like its close to the effect, not that its actually what happens. as its stated, all movement down to the cellular movement is stopped. that really has nothing to do with real density as far as i know. but its just a word that sounds good and takes on a different meaning like, "concussive force."
After finding, and reading, the power I have to agree it was misnamed.
It does absolutly nothing with density. It stops all molecular movement (which is what bringing a substance to absolute zero does) while simultaniously strenthening the bonds to a point where they cannot be seperated. They should have called it "hyper-rigidity" as it makes the character super rigid not super dense.
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Yukon wrote:i think "density" is just a word that was picked because it sounds like its close to the effect, not that its actually what happens. as its stated, all movement down to the cellular movement is stopped. that really has nothing to do with real density as far as i know. but its just a word that sounds good and takes on a different meaning like, "concussive force."
After finding, and reading, the power I have to agree it was misnamed.
It does absolutly nothing with density. It stops all molecular movement (which is what bringing a substance to absolute zero does) while simultaniously strenthening the bonds to a point where they cannot be seperated. They should have called it "hyper-rigidity" as it makes the character super rigid not super dense.
yeah, i thought about the connection to 0 Kelvin, too.. but i didn't want to complicate the matter, and i wasn't sure if absolute 0 would stop cellular movement, molecular movement, or atomic momvement.. then again, electrons still zip around...
Yukon wrote:i think "density" is just a word that was picked because it sounds like its close to the effect, not that its actually what happens. as its stated, all movement down to the cellular movement is stopped. that really has nothing to do with real density as far as i know. but its just a word that sounds good and takes on a different meaning like, "concussive force."
After finding, and reading, the power I have to agree it was misnamed.
It does absolutly nothing with density. It stops all molecular movement (which is what bringing a substance to absolute zero does) while simultaniously strenthening the bonds to a point where they cannot be seperated. They should have called it "hyper-rigidity" as it makes the character super rigid not super dense.
yeah, i thought about the connection to 0 Kelvin, too.. but i didn't want to complicate the matter, and i wasn't sure if absolute 0 would stop cellular movement, molecular movement, or atomic momvement.. then again, electrons still zip around...
Technicaly absolute zero is when all atomic motion stops... this includes all motion above atomic also, but since we cannot reach 0K we cannot know if subatomic particles still do thier jigs on the inside...
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