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I scanned my RUE into PDF and I just bought a PDF editor, and I am planning on scanning in my rifters w/rules and source expansion and producing my own "Super Rifts book". If I have the time, I might take the parts of the world books that I like and plug them in as well (geographical descriptions into the RUEs world overview, OCCs in the OCC section, etc) Maybe even pull items out of my heroes unlimited and palladium books, as well as rules for spell creation in BTSN. Maybe order all weapon systems by manufacturer.

Hopefully it will work will have a single reference system.
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Isn't scanning Palladium's books..... naughty? :quiet:
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sHaka wrote:Isn't scanning Palladium's books..... naughty? :quiet:


distributing said scans is....don't think there's anything illegal about scanning something you bought for personal use, however.
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Technically, even scanning isn't kosher (its like burning a CD to MP3, a violation of copyrights, but since you own the CD...)
Distrubution is a violation of copyrights.

However, I have 10,000 pages of Palladium stuff that I like to reference regularly that are in too many books, many containing extraneous junk (like the Nokia ad).

Really, its about the same as photocopying everything you use regularly to create your own source material...

Obviously, it wouldn't be profitable for Palladium to do it for you (you have your own tastes and own the original books already). I know I would buy an OCC book...but it would be obsolete by the publication of the next Worldbook.

So, instead, I will create my own modifiable PDF (if this works, I'm not too tech savy) and rifter articles that I like and maybe my own work.

Obviously, it won't be canon and it won't work for other gamers (who wants my crap in it)

It's more so that I can have all of my rifts stuff with me when I fly out to my next military school.

As an aside...I love my arzno book, but I wish the Rifter stuff have been included...maybe I can remedy that.
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Yep...I have to have my stuff, even when I am not playing...I don't know why...

Anyway, my rifters alone take a whole duffel bag, world books take 1 and a half, rulebooks and sourcebooks take another. Plus, I like to access my heroes stuff too.

To be completely honest, I want to be able to have it with me at school without anyone knowing what I am doing.
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shadrak wrote:Yep...I have to have my stuff, even when I am not playing...I don't know why...

Anyway, my rifters alone take a whole duffel bag, world books take 1 and a half, rulebooks and sourcebooks take another. Plus, I like to access my heroes stuff too.

To be completely honest, I want to be able to have it with me at school without anyone knowing what I am doing.


I've done the exact same thing. I've got a big book (printed 2-sided with 2 pages on each side reduced accordingly; 4 sheets per one sheet) of ALL my favorite & campaign worthy (ie: what I'll allow in my games) OCC's. This custome book along with my RUE, GM's Handbook, Book of Magic & Conversion Book One (1st Edition) are all I need to run my RIFTS games. Thinking of making another book with only the "world specific" data for all the World Books I intend to utilize. Really cool stuff :-D

It helps alot if you work in an office with high-quality copy machines and book binding equipment with no supervision and alot of time on your hands :D
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Thinyser wrote:This is a locked thread walking.


You can say that again.

But just so you won't have to, I'll do it for you.

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Just lock it already....


I really just want to pull all of the good Rifter Rifts stuff away from the HU and Palladium Fantasy crap. And to put all of the neat rules from rifter into the ultimate edition (plus some of the rules from the forums).
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No, not dead walking. it's only a violation if you DISTRIBUTE said copies. you can make copies all day long, as long as no one else but you see them.
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Nekira Sudacne wrote:No, not dead walking. it's only a violation if you DISTRIBUTE said copies. you can make copies all day long, as long as no one else but you see them.

So if you lend them to your friend, so that he can make a character for the group, does that constitute distrabution? Because I remember a thread not to long ago that asked if he could make photocopies of his OOP material and give them to his group members to have them learn about the system and it was quickly locked.
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Thinyser wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:No, not dead walking. it's only a violation if you DISTRIBUTE said copies. you can make copies all day long, as long as no one else but you see them.

So if you lend them to your friend, so that he can make a character for the group, does that constitute distrabution? Because I remember a thread not to long ago that asked if he could make photocopies of his OOP material and give them to his group members to have them learn about the system and it was quickly locked.

If you lend your friend a physical book to make said character, it is not illegal. What difference is it if its in electronic form? Bottom line...No difference. PB will prolly still lock this because it IS so easy to simply email on another...
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Lending an actual book is hardly the same as making copies of that book to hand out. As for PDFs, that's another matter entirely and sending out a scan would violate copyright.
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Nekira Sudacne wrote:No, not dead walking. it's only a violation if you DISTRIBUTE said copies. you can make copies all day long, as long as no one else but you see them.

So if you lend them to your friend, so that he can make a character for the group, does that constitute distrabution?


IIRC, yes.
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Thinyser wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:No, not dead walking. it's only a violation if you DISTRIBUTE said copies. you can make copies all day long, as long as no one else but you see them.

So if you lend them to your friend, so that he can make a character for the group, does that constitute distrabution? Because I remember a thread not to long ago that asked if he could make photocopies of his OOP material and give them to his group members to have them learn about the system and it was quickly locked.


that's always been hazy. the thing is, you can show others your own property, but if you make a copy, AND keep the origonal or another copy from yourself, taht's copyright violation, sinse now, your friend OWNS a copy, AND you OWN a copy, two ownerships, but only one was paied for.

Now, if you have a copy, and you lend it two another, you still OWN it, but you can lend what you OWN, therefor, sinse you sitll OWN it, and he does not OWN it, there is considered to be only one ownership, which is the number you paied for.
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Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Thinyser wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:No, not dead walking. it's only a violation if you DISTRIBUTE said copies. you can make copies all day long, as long as no one else but you see them.

So if you lend them to your friend, so that he can make a character for the group, does that constitute distrabution? Because I remember a thread not to long ago that asked if he could make photocopies of his OOP material and give them to his group members to have them learn about the system and it was quickly locked.


that's always been hazy. the thing is, you can show others your own property, but if you make a copy, AND keep the origonal or another copy from yourself, taht's copyright violation, sinse now, your friend OWNS a copy, AND you OWN a copy, two ownerships, but only one was paied for.

Now, if you have a copy, and you lend it two another, you still OWN it, but you can lend what you OWN, therefor, sinse you sitll OWN it, and he does not OWN it, there is considered to be only one ownership, which is the number you paied for.
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Here's the thing about my ultimate-ultimate...

Under copyright law, unless the publisher gives express permission for personal reproduction, it is not authorized. Generally, its not a big issue.

For example...if I buy a CD and I create a back up copy, that is technically wrong, but no one would probably have a problem with it.

Now, if I make a copy and give it to a friend, that is also wrong, not only legally, but also ethically if you look at it as theft (you are depriving the producer of potential profit--true even of your back up copy because you should have to buy a new CD if it gets scratched).

Now, regarding my book that I am putting together. While it might technically be wrong, there can be no distribution since I am including my house rules, house vehicles and house spells. Essentially, I am writing in the margins of my book (but, if it works it will be lots prettier).

So, say I want to expand artillery or sniper rules, recreate the ranged combat rules, etc. I simply go in and do it. I want to create new equipment? I just write it up.

I want to fix the Airborne OCC (has too many bonuses) and the CS Special Forces OCC (needs more bonuses), I do it.

Even when the project is complete, it is not usable in any game because it is not canon material and I cannot distibute it.

The only motivation for it can be to fix the problems in the system and the feeling you get from solving a problem.

What I am doing is making a mix CD, and if I sold it/distributed it, it would be very wrong. However, if I want all of my favorite songs (or all of my favorite OCCs/rules/etc.) in one book, well...?
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You can scan your stuff and keep it on your laptop, then let your friends use your laptop files to make characters, etc. The second you put it on a CD and give it to someone else, or email it to someone, you've duplicated it and are breaking the law.

That's not like lending someone your book, it's like photocopying the book and giving it away. It's illegal.
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I think I said exactly that!!!!

Anyway...I checked it out, and it is too much trouble (files are scanned at different qualities, take forever to scan and the program doesn't recognize the format) so it is a moot point.

So, if I want to have a "Super Book" I will have to wait for Palladium.

Anyway, it's nice to hold the pages to a specified 160 pages, but if you have great material, I would prefer that it go in the original Worldbook, rather than a rifter
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Jason Richards wrote:You can scan your stuff and keep it on your laptop, then let your friends use your laptop files to make characters, etc. The second you put it on a CD and give it to someone else, or email it to someone, you've duplicated it and are breaking the law.

That's not like lending someone your book, it's like photocopying the book and giving it away. It's illegal.

What if you make sure to collect the photocopy or CD when the person you LENT it to is done making their character, just like you getting your laptop back when they are done? (Hey if they make another copy of the copy while its not in your possession you cannot be held accountable for that, right?)

I would say as soon as there are two coppies of the material in two different people's posessions, but only one copy was paid for, the law has been broken, because your intent to collect the copy at a later date cannot be proven...
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Copying intellectual property, unless you have purchased a license to distribute, is unlawful (unless the owner has given express permission to so)


It doesn't matter if you are burning your CD to your Ipod.

Or making a backup CD.

Or photocopying a book

Or scanning a sourcematerial.

Even if you own the original, duplication is unlawful-regardless of distribution or intent to distribute.

However, because most organizations and corporations that create these intellectual properties know that a mix CD, backup CD, photocopy, etc. is for personal use only, they don't pursue legal action.

Additionally, pursuing legal action against an individual who doesn't distribute the property tends to be a waste of time and money.
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Thinyser wrote:
Jason Richards wrote:You can scan your stuff and keep it on your laptop, then let your friends use your laptop files to make characters, etc. The second you put it on a CD and give it to someone else, or email it to someone, you've duplicated it and are breaking the law.

That's not like lending someone your book, it's like photocopying the book and giving it away. It's illegal.

What if you make sure to collect the photocopy or CD when the person you LENT it to is done making their character, just like you getting your laptop back when they are done? (Hey if they make another copy of the copy while its not in your possession you cannot be held accountable for that, right?)

I would say as soon as there are two coppies of the material in two different people's posessions, but only one copy was paid for, the law has been broken, because your intent to collect the copy at a later date cannot be proven...


Distribution is illegal. Please stop posting ways you think you could "get away with it."
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The problem then becomes the format of Rifts sourcematerial...

It is strewn throughout the rifter (over 3000 pages now), and across nearly 8000 pages of worldbooks. Not to mention 2000 pages of soucebooks and another 2000 pages of dimension books.

Couple that with a problem shown in the following example:

If I want to run a Coalition campaign, I have to reference the mainbook, a worldbook (2 if there are psychic CS characters) and a sourcebook (and a couple of rifters for good measure) to grab the OCC's and equipment I want.

Or, in an example that is the fault of Palladium (I don't fault them for saving the fans money, but I would have payed an extra 5 bucks for these to be in the same book):

We have Geofront in a Rifter and Mad Machiavelli in another rifter.

So, while it is COMPLETELY a violation of copyright law to reproduce source material for personal use or otherwise (except those charactersheets...you know the ones...they say they may be photocopied for personal use? Yep, those ones), it is frustrating to have to reference 15 tomes for an adventure.
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