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I just received the Heroes Unlimited sourcebook, Justice Machine, in the mail today. I found it on ebay. I've just glanced at it and it looks cool. There's even a Mechanoid crossover adventure in it. Has anyone else read this book? What are your thoughts?

i liked it so much it instigated me (eventually) buying Justice Machine comics from Comico and Innovation (which is a slightly differnt take on the Justice Machine as the sourcebook was written before these.

The Comico and Innovation are later additions, although the creator of
the Justice Machine simply built upon what he already established earlier.
Instead of being called New Haven it ends up being called New Atlantis for
example. New company means changes had to be made. Now if only
the rights could be aquired so updated material could be made.

I still have mine, I traded some old AD&D books for it. Still a great read.

As for the comics themselves, good luck tracking them all down. There are some from (now-defunct) Now Comics & other printings. Do a search on some comic-titles site & make a list, then start searching Ebay.

BookWyrm wrote:I still have mine, I traded some old AD&D books for it. Still a great read.

As for the comics themselves, good luck tracking them all down. There are some from (now-defunct) Now Comics & other printings. Do a search on some comic-titles site & make a list, then start searching Ebay.

Most of mine were sourced though ebay, as well as cheaply at a comics show. Vigilance is the key.

Speaking of Justice Machine comics from Comico, I just acquired some today for about $1 - $2 a piece...

• Issue #2 of 4 Justice Machine mini series featuring The Elementals
• Issue #4 of 4 Justice Machine mini series featuring The Elementals
• Issue #2 Justice Machine
• Issue #4 Justice Machine
• Issue #5 Justice Machine
• Issue #7 Justice Machine
• Issue #11 Justice Machine
• Issue #14 Justice Machine
• Issue #16 Justice Machine
• Issue #23 Justice Machine
• Issue #26 Justice Machine
• Issue #29 Justice Machine

What a find!!!!

I have a copy of Justice Machine in pretty near mint condition, or at least one step below, whatever that is.

Do you think if I mailed it to the folks at Palladium they would sign it for me?

Has anyone ever done something like that?

It's a great book. I want to convert the characters over into the newer edition.

Depending on where you live, you might be better off waiting until they do an appearance near or on your home town.

I have a few books signed by Kev & Maryann, but that was way back when they did they're appearance at Compleat Strategist.

Nemo235 wrote:I have a copy of Justice Machine in pretty near mint condition, or at least one step below, whatever that is.

Do you think if I mailed it to the folks at Palladium they would sign it for me?

Has anyone ever done something like that?

It's a great book. I want to convert the characters over into the newer edition.

If you paid for shipping both ways, I dont see why not. Or if you included say like 5$ to cover the cost of shipping back to you.

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:Speaking of Justice Machine comics from Comico, I just acquired some today for about $1 - $2 a piece...

• Issue #2 of 4 Justice Machine mini series featuring The Elementals
• Issue #4 of 4 Justice Machine mini series featuring The Elementals
• Issue #2 Justice Machine
• Issue #4 Justice Machine
• Issue #5 Justice Machine
• Issue #7 Justice Machine
• Issue #11 Justice Machine
• Issue #14 Justice Machine
• Issue #16 Justice Machine
• Issue #23 Justice Machine
• Issue #26 Justice Machine
• Issue #29 Justice Machine

What a find!!!!

Good stuff.

I have a complete Comico set (including elementals mini) and am working on the Innovation stuff now.

Ranger wrote:Sentinel has this book, liked it, wish they could update it but understand the licensing of it and how they no longer have the publication right of it.

Alas, Poor Sentinel.

Ranger wrote:Merrow, I will tell him that you said hello.

Thanks mate. Tell him to check out Annihilation and the Sinestro Corps War if he hasn't been, also.

So is there a conversion of all the characters?

Zenvis wrote:So is there a conversion of all the characters?

That would be a big no there partner!
I did work on my own conversions a while back, but I lost the file.

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Zenvis wrote:So is there a conversion of all the characters?

That would be a big no there partner!
I did work on my own conversions a while back, but I lost the file.

Is it open season or is it blocked by copy rights?

Apparently Mark Ellis the guy who currently hold the rights to JM is releasing "his
altered rendition" of the comic as a graphic novel in 2009. His versions of the
characters were not liked by many fans. Since he bought the rights from Michael
Gustovich in 1991 and made the short series in Millennium Comics in 92, JM has been
doing nothing but sitting in a desk drawer collecting dust. I don't know how much the
rights are worth, but I'd love it if he sold them to Kevin so Justice Machine could once
more be placed back in he hands of someone who remembers the "true" characters and
the tradition of the story. Personally, I'd love to be the one to update that book. The
Elementals are another bunch of cool characters and would make a welcomed edition
to the Palladium universe. I am also very surprised on how little information there is
about Michael Gustovich. I would also love to know the reason why he sold the rights in
the first place.

So I reiterate my question. Could JM be posted in HU2 format or is there a coy right problem?

Zenvis wrote:So I reiterate my question. Could JM be posted in HU2 format

No.

Zenvis wrote:or is there a coy right problem?

yes.

Necronomicus wrote:I ordered a copy of Justice Machine from amazon. there were several available if anyone else is interested.

I ordered a copy and its awesome.

Necronomicus wrote:New Haven makes me think of Eureka.

That is actually a pretty good comparison.

I just got some more issues to add to my collection. New additions highlighted in blue.

• Issue #1 of 4 Justice Machine mini series featuring The Elementals
• Issue #2 of 4 Justice Machine mini series featuring The Elementals (now 2 copies)
• Issue #3 of 4 Justice Machine mini series featuring The Elementals
• Issue #4 of 4 Justice Machine mini series featuring The Elementals (now 2 copies)
• Issue #1 Justice Machine
• Issue #2 Justice Machine
• Issue #3 Justice Machine
• Issue #4 Justice Machine
• Issue #5 Justice Machine
• Issue #6 Justice Machine
• Issue #7 Justice Machine
• Issue #8 Justice Machine
• Issue #9 Justice Machine
• Issue #10 Justice Machine
• Issue #11 Justice Machine
• Issue #14 Justice Machine
• Issue #15 Justice Machine
• Issue #16 Justice Machine
• Issue #23 Justice Machine
• Issue #26 Justice Machine
• Issue #29 Justice Machine

Also, I have doubles of #2, #4, #5 and #7.
What a find!!!!

That was a great comic series .
Too bad they (Justice Machine) does not get a update by Palladuim.
We can always hope it does !

It will take a little work, but the two adventures in the back are a blast to run. An army of
APS-Lava guys and the other has Mechanoids!!! You could have NPC introdued to New
Haven just as the Justice Machine where. You can have the New Guardians and any of the
villians show up as well. The books of full of ideas and NPCs. I just love that book. And it
bare repeating, I wish Kevin had the rights to it. I'd love to be the one to update that book
and put it back into the HU continuity .

Got my copy a year or two ago on ebay for about $4! It's a good read and, with a bit of work, some good source material in a pinch.

It would take a little work but it can be done .
Your players will no doubt enjoy the setting!

chief_slayton wrote:Ya'll want to hear something really funny? My local group read over my copy of the Justice Machine PDF (I refuse to let anyone touches my copy because of how old it is and it's already falling apart, hence the PDF copy) and they heard about my idea to run their heroes through the whole Dyval situation coming out next year and they asked me if they could use the Justice Machine setting as a launching point for that.

I guess the ideas behind the Justice Machine concept is alot more impressive to the newer players of HU?

I think that is great .
The setting was ... no I mean still is one of my all time favorites !

I'd say it was in Justice Machine HU universe because at the time, there wasn't an established
HU universe, heck there wasn't even a thought of Rifts. This book is true 1st edition days. I'm
doing something with it right now, have to do my own tweeking of the NPCs though. Wish I
could post them . Top on my list if I ever win lottery money, try and get the rights back for
Palladium.

I like it. I am using it. The PCs haven't met them yet but all of the NPCs in the book are the heroes of age past and are retired at 15th level

Just found issues #1 & 2 in discount book store

Reagren Wright wrote:I'd say it was in Justice Machine HU universe because at the time, there wasn't an established
HU universe, heck there wasn't even a thought of Rifts. This book is true 1st edition days. I'm
doing something with it right now, have to do my own tweeking of the NPCs though. Wish I
could post them . Top on my list if I ever win lottery money, try and get the rights back for
Palladium.

Yeah, I was working on some "updates" myself a while back. Now I have revisit my copy of Justice Machine [well, one of my copies, I got 2]

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Reagren Wright wrote:I'd say it was in Justice Machine HU universe because at the time, there wasn't an established
HU universe, heck there wasn't even a thought of Rifts. This book is true 1st edition days. I'm
doing something with it right now, have to do my own tweeking of the NPCs though. Wish I
could post them . Top on my list if I ever win lottery money, try and get the rights back for
Palladium.

Yeah, I was working on some "updates" myself a while back. Now I have revisit my copy of Justice Machine [well, one of my copies, I got 2]

No fair! Have you considered selling your additional copy?

Stone Gargoyle wrote:

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Reagren Wright wrote:I'd say it was in Justice Machine HU universe because at the time, there wasn't an established
HU universe, heck there wasn't even a thought of Rifts. This book is true 1st edition days. I'm
doing something with it right now, have to do my own tweeking of the NPCs though. Wish I
could post them . Top on my list if I ever win lottery money, try and get the rights back for
Palladium.

Yeah, I was working on some "updates" myself a while back. Now I have revisit my copy of Justice Machine [well, one of my copies, I got 2]

No fair! Have you considered selling your additional copy?

I did consider it. I ended up telling myself no

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Stone Gargoyle wrote:

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Reagren Wright wrote:I'd say it was in Justice Machine HU universe because at the time, there wasn't an established
HU universe, heck there wasn't even a thought of Rifts. This book is true 1st edition days. I'm
doing something with it right now, have to do my own tweeking of the NPCs though. Wish I
could post them . Top on my list if I ever win lottery money, try and get the rights back for
Palladium.

Yeah, I was working on some "updates" myself a while back. Now I have revisit my copy of Justice Machine [well, one of my copies, I got 2]

No fair! Have you considered selling your additional copy?

I did consider it. I ended up telling myself no

It is nice to have back-up copies if you need them, I s'pose.

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Stone Gargoyle wrote:

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Reagren Wright wrote:I'd say it was in Justice Machine HU universe because at the time, there wasn't an established
HU universe, heck there wasn't even a thought of Rifts. This book is true 1st edition days. I'm
doing something with it right now, have to do my own tweeking of the NPCs though. Wish I
could post them . Top on my list if I ever win lottery money, try and get the rights back for
Palladium.

Yeah, I was working on some "updates" myself a while back. Now I have revisit my copy of Justice Machine [well, one of my copies, I got 2]

No fair! Have you considered selling your additional copy?

I did consider it. I ended up telling myself no

you used to have 3 copies at one time did you not?
I seem to recall talking you into parting ways with it a couple of years back. helped me finish out my pally collection. BTW NMI My players still curse you regularly for that... so many characters from that book keep making appearances in my HU games... They really hated the Georwellian invasion storyline

Damian Magecraft wrote:

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Stone Gargoyle wrote:

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Reagren Wright wrote:I'd say it was in Justice Machine HU universe because at the time, there wasn't an established
HU universe, heck there wasn't even a thought of Rifts. This book is true 1st edition days. I'm
doing something with it right now, have to do my own tweeking of the NPCs though. Wish I
could post them . Top on my list if I ever win lottery money, try and get the rights back for
Palladium.

Yeah, I was working on some "updates" myself a while back. Now I have revisit my copy of Justice Machine [well, one of my copies, I got 2]

No fair! Have you considered selling your additional copy?

I did consider it. I ended up telling myself no

you used to have 3 copies at one time did you not?
I seem to recall talking you into parting ways with it a couple of years back. helped me finish out my pally collection. BTW NMI My players still curse you regularly for that... so many characters from that book keep making appearances in my HU games... They really hated the Georwellian invasion storyline

No. Actually when I sold you that one, it was my only copy. Took me some time to replace it and in the process, I got 2.

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Damian Magecraft wrote:you used to have 3 copies at one time did you not?
I seem to recall talking you into parting ways with it a couple of years back. helped me finish out my pally collection. BTW NMI My players still curse you regularly for that... so many characters from that book keep making appearances in my HU games... They really hated the Georwellian invasion storyline

No. Actually when I sold you that one, it was my only copy. Took me some time to replace it and in the process, I got 2.

You never said a word about it being your only copy at the time. If I had known...

I'll have to search out a copy on ebay I guess. Sounds like quite the awesome book.

Damian Magecraft wrote:

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Damian Magecraft wrote:you used to have 3 copies at one time did you not?
I seem to recall talking you into parting ways with it a couple of years back. helped me finish out my pally collection. BTW NMI My players still curse you regularly for that... so many characters from that book keep making appearances in my HU games... They really hated the Georwellian invasion storyline

No. Actually when I sold you that one, it was my only copy. Took me some time to replace it and in the process, I got 2.

You never said a word about it being your only copy at the time. If I had known...

More then likely, I needed the money at the time.
I need money now, but I have something in the works that should hopefully pan through tomorrow.

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Damian Magecraft wrote:

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Damian Magecraft wrote:you used to have 3 copies at one time did you not?
I seem to recall talking you into parting ways with it a couple of years back. helped me finish out my pally collection. BTW NMI My players still curse you regularly for that... so many characters from that book keep making appearances in my HU games... They really hated the Georwellian invasion storyline

No. Actually when I sold you that one, it was my only copy. Took me some time to replace it and in the process, I got 2.

You never said a word about it being your only copy at the time. If I had known...

More then likely, I needed the money at the time.
I need money now, but I have something in the works that should hopefully pan through tomorrow.

You're not talking about the million dollars from the chain letter, are you.

Were it in my capabilities, I'd reprint the comics in collections....much like the Omnibus editions Dark Horse Comics has done.

I was able to order the sourcebook from Amazon.com. While doing my search, I also saw the comics for sale on ebay.

Stone Gargoyle wrote:I was able to order the sourcebook from Amazon.com. While doing my search, I also saw the comics for sale on ebay.

Thank you for pointing that out. I now too just purchased Justice Machine sourcebook on Amazon, and a lot of those comics on Ebay. So again, Thanks.

Jorel wrote:

Stone Gargoyle wrote:I was able to order the sourcebook from Amazon.com. While doing my search, I also saw the comics for sale on ebay.

Thank you for pointing that out. I now too just purchased Justice Machine sourcebook on Amazon, and a lot of those comics on Ebay. So again, Thanks.

No problem. I was just glad to find them myself.

I got my copy of the sourcebook today... Man, could it use some updating to 2nd Edition! There are even some skills referenced in there that are not in the HU2 main book.

Stone Gargoyle wrote:I got my copy of the sourcebook today... Man, could it use some updating to 2nd Edition! There are even some skills referenced in there that are not in the HU2 main book.

Yeah I am trying to find my copy of the original UNrevised HU book to be able to reference those skills, but alas, it appears to t-ported out of my home. I dont think I ever sold it.

I now have 2, and am working on the comic angle.

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:

Stone Gargoyle wrote:I got my copy of the sourcebook today... Man, could it use some updating to 2nd Edition! There are even some skills referenced in there that are not in the HU2 main book.

Yeah I am trying to find my copy of the original UNrevised HU book to be able to reference those skills, but alas, it appears to t-ported out of my home. I dont think I ever sold it.

The only HU core rulebook I have is second edition. I might have to invest in the previous editions.

Any update on the topic?

Yeah, there is no chance of Justice Machine returning to Palladium Books
Copyright is now owned by George Sarantopoulos publisher of It’s Astounding. No further information.