Dragon Slayer OCC.??

[Ridley]

THere is a dragon slayer class in Rifter 4. At least, i think that it was rifter four.

[Nekira Sudacne]

Is there a "Dragon Slayer OCC." yet? Or some other OCC that specializes in killing Dragons. If so, where could I find it ? Closest I have heard of is the undead hunter. Does anyone know?

Nope. because no human, however well trained, is going to stand much chance aginst a full fledged dragon.

best to have a team in other OCC's who use their abilities creativly.

[Tinker Dragoon]

THere is a dragon slayer class in Rifter 4. At least, i think that it was rifter four.

Close. The Dragon Hunters of Kremakrilon appeared in Rifter #7.

[RockJock]

There really isn't a dragonslayer, and the talk about them being so powerful that their weaknesses are few is right on. If you really want something like this think about taking an order of knights and palladins and mould them into an anti dragon group. Take a standard palladin and perhaps switch their demon death blow for a dragon only version and upgrade the damge to dragons in exchange. Outfit them with enchanted weapons with dragon slayer, dragon bone weapons, have them dripping with magic rings. In a group they have a shot.

[Nekira Sudacne]

Is there a "Dragon Slayer OCC." yet? Or some other OCC that specializes in killing Dragons. If so, where could I find it ? Closest I have heard of is the undead hunter. Does anyone know?

Nope. because no human, however well trained, is going to stand much chance aginst a full fledged dragon.

best to have a team in other OCC's who use their abilities creativly.

I was invisioning a charcter who studies dragons to the point of knowing their weakness, has special tactics for dealing with them.

Not a "one man Slayer", but one that knows how to fight them and has trained specifically to target the large beast.

Whos training and order is charged to hunt down and kill dragons.

Dragons have weaknesses? news to me

Infact, they could be immune to dragon HF.

Sounds good. though they'd still be vunerable to the transfixing gaze, sinse that's a supernatural ability (at least I think that would make sense to me)

Instead of making my own class, wanted to see if there was something out there to compare my ideas with and see if it would work.

afraid not. but post what ya come up with.

[RockJock]

It seems really high to me. Look at the Palladin Death Blow and base something on that. It bypasses NAR unless I've lost my mind.

I'm just not sold on your idea. It gains alot of abilities over the Palladin. In exchange for the deathblow you have the NAR bypass, which is weaker then the original, but you also get HF immunity, and a resistance to breath attacks.

Another class worth looking at as a base is the Hunters from the jungle. I can't remember their bonuses without the books, but they have a nice mix of magic and skills.

[Nekira Sudacne]

I will...

Thinking they may have some an ability that reduces Dragons NAR for them, where they know how to pin-point attacks to vital organs and attack between the scales of the Dragon.

Charged by God to Slay the wicked beast

The Order of the Dragon Slayer

Prereq: IQ: 14, ME: 12 MA:10 PS: 15 PP: 15 PE: 14

OCC Skills: Hand to Hand: Palladin or Assassin

Horsemanship : Palladin
WP: Longbow WP: Polearms (updated)
Speak: Dragon (+30%)
Read/Write (+20%)

Elective skills: 6 Lvl 1, 2 additional Lvl 3, 2 addition Lvl 6
Track (+10%)

(will fill in when i get home...don't have my book at work)

Secondary: 8 lvl 1, 2 add at lvl 3, 2 at lvl 6



A bonus verus breath weapons (maybe reduced damage) say 1/2?

Immune to Dragon Fear (HF)

- 2 AR at lvl 1 VS Dragons

- 3 AR at Lvl 3 VS Dragons

- 4 AR at LVL 6 VS Dragons

- 5 AR at LvL 9 VS Dragons

At Lvl 12 recieve a HF towards dragons say 12....their fame has made dragons fear them.

LVL 15 Damage x2 vs dragons


Is that too much or just right?

Of course a 1st lvl dragonslayer vs a great horned, would be insaine...but there are lesser dragons he can stalk and in Palladium fantasy many have less than 100 HP....

He better bring a mage with him....to counter spells.

Eh, it's doable. the dragon horror factor is just rediculous though. People hunt specific people all the time--they don't get horror factors for it. any more than an assassin should.

[Nekira Sudacne]

The Shpere of Invunerability is jut too much. Your taking hte effect of an extremely rare and powerful Circle of Power and turning into an at will "Oh, I can't be hurt now" effect.

The rest...I can live with.

[Aramel]

i cannot remember which rifter i read it in, but there is a dragon slayer OCC as they progress in level they gain the powers of a dragon, and in the end are able to take them on in one on one combat. the only other thing that i know of that comes close is a dragon juicer from juicer uprising. BTW after years of hanging out on this site this is the first time i have visited the boards

[RockJock]

Welcome to the boards Aramel. Your point about the Rifter has already been brought up, but the Dragon Juicer does make a good Dragon hunter. I don't know how well it fits in to PF, but great for Rifts.

The Pogtal in groups can match a dragon, but they are decently powerful on their own compared to your basic human.

[Killer Cyborg]

I will...

Thinking they may have some an ability that reduces Dragons NAR for them, where they know how to pin-point attacks to vital organs and attack between the scales of the Dragon.

Charged by God to Slay the wicked beast

The Order of the Dragon Slayer (His/Her Powers are given to him by God)

Prereq: IQ: 14, ME: 12 MA:10 PS: 15 PP: 15 PE: 14

OCC Skills: Hand to Hand: Palladin or Assassin (player's choice)

Horsemanship : Palladin
WP: Longbow WP: Polearms (updated)
Speak: Dragon (+30%)
Read/Write (+20%)

Elective skills: 6 Lvl 1, 2 additional Lvl 3, 2 addition Lvl 6
Disguise
Track (+10%)
Identify Tracks(+10%)
Medical(+2%)
Pick Locks
Prowl(+12%)
Scalewalls(+5%)
Trap/Skin Small Animals (+8%)
Trap/Skin Large Animals(+4%)
Use Poison

and the WP's.

Secondary: 8 lvl 1, 2 add at lvl 3, 2 at lvl 6
Demon/Devil Lore(+10%)
Faerie Lore(+10%)
Play Wind Instrument(+4%)
Recognise Precious Metal/Stones(+10%)
Recongnise Weapon Quality(+20%)
Religious Doctrine (+10%)
Read/write add Languages(+10%)
Speak Add Languages(+10%)

So far it looks okay, although I haven't compared the number of skills, the number of bonuses, and the size of the bonuses against the standard PFRPG classes.

Breath attacks damge is reduced by 1/2 rounded up.

Immune to Dragon Fear (HF)

- 2 AR at lvl 1 VS Dragons, +2 damage

- 3 AR at Lvl 3 VS Dragons Able to sense dragons up to 800 yards away. +2 save versus magic

- 4 AR at LVL 6 VS Dragons, +4 damage

- 5 AR at LvL 9 VS Dragons Can deliver a tremendous blow that does automatic max damage. (2x per day)

At Lvl 12 Sphere of Invulnerability (simular to impenetrable wall of force..except this surrounds the dragon slayer) 2 x per day for 5 melees. Creates a 10' sphere around Dragon Slayer that no creature, weapon, or object can penetrate. Also grants an additional +1 save versus magic Sinse it is not magic, a dispell magic spell has no effect on the sphere. The sphere moves with the Dragon Slayer. The Slayer can attack through the sphere outward In order to use, it takes 2 attacks of focusing his mind.

LVL 15 Damage x2 vs dragons


Is that too much or just right?

Of course a 1st lvl dragonslayer vs a great horned, would be insaine...but there are lesser dragons he can stalk and in Palladium fantasy many have less than 100 HP....

He better bring a mage with him....to counter spells.

Out of all that, the only part that I think is a good idea is the immunity to dragons' Horror Factor.
Giving the class fancy abilities like that is just a bad idea.
And the abilities aren't that hot anyway.

Despite people's hype, dragons can be killed.
They can even be killed by normal humans. It's just really, really, really rare because dragons ARE pretty darned powerful.

Personally, I like the idea of a Dragonslayer class.
Here are some things that I would give them:

1. Dragon Lore- a lore skill that lets them identify dragons and know their habits, powers, weaknesses, etc.
2. Skills for making poisons.
3. The ability to make dragon bone weapons from Dragons & Gods p. 231 (either all of them at high level, or certain weapons at certain levels.)
4. Their own Hand to Hand combat style that would be good against dragons and like creatures (slightly better than HTH: Palladin), but not so hot against normal foes (on par with HTH: Basic). Focuses should be striking and dodging. Parrying isn't too useful against something that large and powerful, and Roll doesn't work against fire, fangs, and claws.
Also, there should be a pretty hefty damage bonus against dragons, from the dragonslayers' knowledge of their enemy. Perhaps a lowered critical as well, at higher levels.
5. Skills in trapmaking and siege weapons.

Really, that's it. You could give them a few spells that they could learn at higher levels, or some psionic powers, or whatever, but I wouldn't bother.

They can compensate for lack of powers with fancy gear (from Dragons & Gods, for example) as they level up and get more cash to spend.
The thing to keep in mind is that they should only be expected to hunt dragons as part of a team. Even a hatchling will be, and should be too much for most dragonslayers unless they have really good gear.

Other than that, I'd come up with some more dragonhunting gear.
Something to allow the wearer a chance to detect dragons in disguise (and a counter-charm for dragons to use).
Something to keep the buggers from teleporting off when they're wounded.
Specialty weapons (magical and non-magical) designed for use against dragons.
That sort of thing.

[Goliath Strongarm]

ok, I gotta go with KC on this. (big surprise, since I usually agree with him).

Having all sorts of fancy extra things isnt Palladium.. it's D&D. Where characters get new special powers almost every level. Sorry, leave that to that. In Palladium, not many classes get anything new later on, they just improve what they DO have.

[NMI]

there is the Pogtal Dragon Slayer from one of the earlier Rift titles.

[Nekira Sudacne]

[quote="joscapAnd all the shere of invulnerability is an adaption of a 4th or 5th level (dont have my books here) wizards spell....inpenatrable wall of force. A single spell. Which last a whole lot longer ie 4 or 5 melees per level of the spell caster.[/quote]

Yes, a single, INSANLY powerful FIFTEENTH LEVEL spell that costs 600 PPE. an average adult dragon can't cast it without using some power source.

and no, it dosn't have a great duration either.

[Killer Cyborg]

there is the Pogtal Dragon Slayer from one of the earlier Rift titles.

Have not heard of that one...anyone know which title?

Rifts Worldbook 1: Vampire Kingdoms.
They may have been reprinted later, but this version would work best in an SDC setting. Just have their supernatural damage field do x2 damage instead of MD.
Of course, they're a race of giants, not an OCC.