Illithid13 wrote:If I had "custom" made shotgun shells with silver buck shot. how much damage would they do to a vampire/normal SDC creature, and how much would you expect them to cost.
I would say the same as a normal Shotgun round. I would just shorten the range a bit.
Similarly, if you had a custom shotgun "shell" made to shoot a short, spiked wooden stake, again, how much damage and the cost for them?
How does 2D6 sound? With a much shorter range of course.
Cost? I'd say 10 times a normal round plus the price of the silver.
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Don't bother shortening the range. It does the same damage too. I actually have fired silver rounds form different things just to see if there was a appreciable damage between them and the typical lead/ tin alloy that I usually make bullets out of.
There isn't.
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Didn't they have damage stats for this or something similar in the Vampire Kingdom book?
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silver weapons do double damage to vampires.
so 4D6 to SDC targets. 4D6x2 to vampires and werewolves.
Bad thing about shotguns though is they wont penetrate the rib cage. So you wont be able to shoot the heart.
RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:silver weapons do double damage to vampires. so 4D6 to SDC targets. 4D6x2 to vampires and werewolves. Bad thing about shotguns though is they wont penetrate the rib cage. So you wont be able to shoot the heart.
What if you use a silver slug shot not buckshot?
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RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:silver weapons do double damage to vampires. so 4D6 to SDC targets. 4D6x2 to vampires and werewolves. Bad thing about shotguns though is they wont penetrate the rib cage. So you wont be able to shoot the heart.
What!?
Mybe not with bird-shot from a far enough range against heavy clothing, but shot does travel between ribs...
You could also try flechettes, though you'd be doing more damage...
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RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:Bad thing about shotguns though is they wont penetrate the rib cage. So you wont be able to shoot the heart.
I'm not wanting to go for the heart...
too bad you're not. one good chunk of silver in the heart and they drop like a sack of potatoes. shooting them in the head or the ass or the groin or wherever else you're thinking won't do anything extra.
in my opinion, leave the shotgun at home. get yourself a nice sniper rifle, or a high-powered automatic rifle. bust a few silver rounds from an AK-47 and you'll chew vamps up real good.
Illithid13 wrote:If I had "custom" made shotgun shells with silver buck shot. how much damage would they do to a vampire/normal SDC creature, and how much would you expect them to cost.
Read Vampire Kingdoms.
Similarly, if you had a custom shotgun "shell" made to shoot a short, spiked wooden stake, again, how much damage and the cost for them?
If you knew what you were doing, you could make these yourself; just remove the shot and stick a sharpened dowel rod into the shell. They only work in break-open shotguns, though.
The damage? I'd say 4d6 SDC. The range would be something like 10' max. Probably only work for point blank shots.
The cost would be the cost of a dowel rod and the cost of a shotgun shell.
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actually the book contradicts itself quite regularly. First it says silver weapons do double damage. then it says bullets do regular damage. then it says again that all weapons, including knives, swords, axes, and bullets, do double damage.
RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:silver weapons do double damage to vampires. so 4D6 to SDC targets. 4D6x2 to vampires and werewolves.
This is correct.
As for the stake thing, I wouldn't allow it with a shotgun. Use a spear gun or a bow if you want to propel wooden sticks.
I would allow it, but only as a single-shot weapon. Perhaps a single-shot, or side-by-side weapon, not a repeater. I did the same thing in WoD with a ghoul vamp hunter. He had a sawed-off over-under loaded with 6-inch stake rounds (six inch stakes set into shotgun blank cartridges).
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The rules on silver ammunition are written by someone with very little knowledge of chemistry and who has most likely never fired a gun in their life.
The fact is Silver is slightly lighter and much harder than lead or copper, the two normal materials bullets are normally made of. Because it is lighter and harder it does not conform to the rifling of a barrel or have the weight to ignore atmospheric obstacles that a heavy lead round would ignore (the fact is silver is not that much lighter than lead, its more their inability to play nice with the rifling in the barrel).
In the real world, silver is a crappy metal to use in a bullet, its expensive and anything you would want to do you could do better with copper, lead or stainless steel. However in a fantasy world where silver has significant benefits there are reasons to use silver. In these cases for slugs and bullets you would have a jeweler mill silver rods into bullets and then jacket them in copper, Possibly making the silver rounds hollow and filling the hollow with lead to weigh them down more and to use less silver per capita. In the case of buckshot rounds one would use silver chains from jewelery or silver ball bearings and pack them into shells like normal shotgun rounds. It is also possible to jacket hardwood and weigh it down with lead an make bullets out of, but the accuracy would not be that impressive.
Its important to note that staking vampires using bullets is a pretty silly proposition, you disable the vampire with bullets and then you have a guy covered by your allies run up and stake the vampire, or you shoot them with bullets then bombard them with water sprayers. Consider for a moment that a AK-47 and 100 silver rounds costs around 700 credits and a three round burst from such a weapon would deal 2d6x10 hit points of damage to a vampire. Just aim for body mass and shoot, forget staking and do as much bodily trauma as possible, a vampire only has a few dozen hit points, chances are you are going to put it into negative hit points at which point you can put another round into it and and then have someone stake it.
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RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:silver weapons do double damage to vampires. so 4D6 to SDC targets. 4D6x2 to vampires and werewolves. Bad thing about shotguns though is they wont penetrate the rib cage. So you wont be able to shoot the heart.
Buck shot will cetianly penetrate the rib cage. 00 buck is a .33 caliber ball there is absolutly no reason it shouldn' be able to hit the heart. Even small bird shot at close range will blow deep into the body, rib cage or not.
