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Shadow Magic

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 12:40 am
by darthauthor
Can Shadow Magic be taken by a Mystic or intuitive spell caster?

Re: Shadow Magic

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:18 pm
by darthauthor
I found shadow magic in a couple of places:

Atlantean Source Book Secrets of Atlanteans

Palladium Fantasy Rpg I think it was the library of something.

Don't know the origins of the magic but It can be learned.
Also, I have not read that Shadow magic is forbiben to be taken by a Mystic; unlike Necromacer magic spells.

Re: Shadow Magic

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:34 am
by Curbludgeon
In addition to RIfts DB15 and PFRPG12:Library of Bletherad(with only a couple of spells not found in DB15), there's an "optional" article in Rifter 20. DB15 describes Shadow Magic as practically forgotten, and only taught to a few. Mysteries of Magic Book 1: The Heart of Magic details how Psi-Mystics can only intuit conventional invocations, with a singular example of one gaining access to Rune Magic. Other practitioners of magic can learn Shadow spells should they have the opportunity (as evinced by how Shadow Mages of DB15 can cast spells at half the PPE of other casters), which illustrates it's not as exclusive as the Warlocks' Elemental Magic. What's more some Shadow Magic spells have come to be considered conventional invocations (Shadow Meld, Summon Shadow Beast, arguably Cloak/Aura of Darkness) such that a Mystic can learn them.

There are pretty heavy setting indications that a Mystic wouldn't gain access to Shadow Magic. If a given game doesn't pay attention to those setting constraints, then I say the Mystic is hamstrung enough as is, so go nuts.

Re: Shadow Magic

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 6:24 pm
by Grazzik
Hmm... what if a mystic in BTS knew shadow magic... with some modification given the low PPE environment... and a skill program appropriate for a wealthy young man-about-town... who happens to know what evil lurks-- ok that's as far as I'll go with that.

Re: Shadow Magic

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:07 pm
by Library Ogre
My general rule is that a mystic can take any type of spell magic, at a level which would be appropriate for a wizard (so, for example, they can get Call Lightning at 6th level like a wizard, not 3rd level like a Warlock).

Re: Shadow Magic

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:14 pm
by darthauthor
In the book "Rifts: Lazlo"

Page 112
the O.C.C. the Shadowstrider

The O.C.C. is a Mystic who can learn Shadow Magic, Necromancy and invocations.

The is the only exception I have found, so far...

Grazzik .. ... .. Batman?


Found a note in "Book of Magic" page 184.
"Note: Techno-Wizards and Mystics NEVER learn Necro-Magic."
First contradiction I have found.

Hey, its Rifts Earth, every rule has it's exception.

Re: Shadow Magic

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:49 am
by Grazzik
darthauthor wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 7:14 pm Grazzik .. ... .. Batman?
You may need to brush up on your Old Time Radio... The Shadow...