drewkitty ~..~ wrote:I regret to inform you that you misread what I wrote.
You have not established either of these things.
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:To bluntly clarify things to you. The Only Time in current canon allows a skill to be taken a multiple times is when learning a multiple languages/Lit, multiple cooking styles, and multiple types of art types.
You are referring to the times we have been explicitly told about dual-selecting skills.
This does not establish explicit-tells are the ONLY times we are allowed to do something.
The default state is you can select skills freely, this is why the Physical category in particular contain a restriction against a 2nd selection. Categories not sharing that disclaimer do not have that restriction.
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Taking as a CCR skill multiple times to bump up the %'s &/or D20 bonuses %/or stat bonuses Is Not Allowed in Current Canon. As stated, it is only the domestic and technical secondary skills that can be twice to raise the quality of the skill from amiture to professional.
Not sure what CCR stands for. I'm not seeing any text restricting double-selection to secondary skills or just those categories. The only printed exclusion is in the Physical skill category.
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:So dismissing the whole of my post, you quoted the entire post, as ""special bonuses"" is patently untrue.
I had thought your 2nd paragraph was a continuation of your thoughts in the 1st, unclear what discrete other idea existed in that whole outside the special situations of the bonus +10% for 2nd selection domest/tech
eliakon wrote:as noted only Domestic and Technical skills can be taken twice
This is a declaration from people HERE, not from the books itself.
eliakon wrote:To go beyond twice you would need to find supporting text that says you can continue to take it beyond the listed ability of these two skills to have a unique ability to be taken two times.
No, you would not, since there is no printed rule (outside of the Physical skill category) restricting you from selecting skills you already have.
eliakon wrote:And the bonus STILL doesn't come up on time two, because as it specifically states that the only thing that you get on taking the skill the second time is that the skill becomes 'slick and professional'
Tell me exactly where you found the word "only" in the books please.
eliakon wrote:1) you need to find in text support for your claim that any skill can be taken a third time.
The burden of proof is on you because
1a) you are the one making a claim that is different than the status quo, ergo you are the one required to support your claim
1b) it is not our burden to disprove a negative
1c) I have demonstrated that the skill list has a ridged one time only policy for almost all skills, with a two times policy covering all exceptions; thus I have made a claim with supporting evidence and you will need to make an equally supported claim to demonstrate that it is wrong.
1d) Because it doesn't say I can't is not evidence. Because I have show that yes indeed it says you can't
1a) Status quo already has examples from Palladium of skills being selected multiple times (Domest/Tech as pointed out earlier, Prowl in Palladium RPG to get OCC bonus from 2 classes), and the existence of Physical Category text preventing multi-selection ABSENT in all other sections shows that multi-selection is status-quo.
1b) I am asking you to prove a positive, as you have claimed there is a rule preventing the choice of a skill you already possess.
1c) You haven't demonstrated any kind of one-time-only policy, just that a benefit is only listed for the 2nd instance of the skill. Not knowing the benefits for the 3rd instance does not make a 3rd instance impossible.
1d) No, you have not provided evidence it can't. This is not a "doesn't say I can't" situation. The "can" is the "of choice" text we often see. The player gets the choice, unrestricted unless there is text restricting it.
eliakon wrote:2) you will need to find in text support for your claim that taking a skill twice will get you the stat bonus twice
the burden of proof is on you because
2a) you are the one making a claim that is different than the status quo, ergo you are the one required to support your claim
2b) it is not our burden to disprove a negative
2c) I have demonstrated that the rules on taking a skill twice have a set list of what you gain from doing so and that stat bonuses are not on it; thus I have made a specific claim with supporting evidence; there for you will need some sort of evidence of your onw when you make your claim that my claim is wrong. Nuh-uh is not evidence.
2) You get a bonus for selecting a skill. This is known. Unless it says something like "one time only" there is no reason to think you wouldn't get it again for a second instance of the skill.
2a) The status quo is no-restriction. The exception to this is the Physical skill category, which introduces a unique restriction against a 2nd selection of a skill.
2b) you are being asked to prove a positive (not disprove a negative) because you have claimed the positive presence of text restricting a player's choices, prohibiting him from choosing a skill he already has.
2c) there are no absolute "rules on taking a skill choice" as you have misleadingly phrased. Being told of special +10% bonuses for re-selected domestic skills (rules other categories lack) does not mean you cannot select non-domestics a 2nd time.