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armor of Ithan vs acid...will it work?

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armor of Ithan vs acid

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if you are attacked with acid, and have armor of ithane on, would it protect you. and I am talking spit attack.
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Re: armor of Ithan vs acid

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being splashed by acid? sure.
being immersed in acid? probably not.
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Re: armor of Ithan vs acid

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I said I don't know because I don't know what you are actually asking.

Will the Armor work vs Acid? Will the Acid work vs the Armor?

I think if you fall in a vat of it, then the Armor won't protect you, just like any other armor wouldn't. If it's thrown at you and it doesn't beat your AR, then the armor protects you.

If after that, the GM wants to make you take damage from it seeping through, then that's up to them.
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You might want to rephrase the question because We Are Not Psychics. What do you mean with the "will it work?" phrasing.

It is a point of view problem.

Will the acid just go through the AoI because it is a liquid?
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Will the AoI block the acid because it is an attack?

Which do you mean?
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Then there is the saving throw for acid attacks...it is called Dodge.
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Yes, AoI will block acid attacks that are under the AR number.

No, I don't think acid will damage AoI. IIRC, acid has to react to something in order to damage it, or something like that. It's been awhile since high school. Let's check the Wiki entry real quick:

An acid (from the Latin acidus/acēre meaning sour[1]) is a chemical substance whose aqueous solutions are characterized by a sour taste, the ability to turn blue litmus red, and the ability to react with bases and certain metals (like calcium) to form salts. Aqueous solutions of acids have a pH of less than 7. Non-aqueous acids are usually formed when an anion (negative ion) reacts with one or more positively charged hydrogen cations. A lower pH means a higher acidity, and thus a higher concentration of positive hydrogen ions in the solution. Chemicals or substances having the property of an acid are said to be acidic.


Now personally, I always thought of AoI as forming an energy-like suit of armor, similar to the armor spells in Skyrim. So if the initial attack didn't get through to you, it would simply roll off since there's nothing there for the acid to react to IMO.

But I do agree with the others that if you get immersed in it you're screwed.
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I would have an acid attack like any other weapon against Armor of Ithan, including damage to its SDC and so on. RPG acid is seldom like real-world acids, and I'd be inclined towards KISS.
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if you are attacked with acid, and have armor of ithane on, would it protect you. and I am talking spit attack. I am thinking aheadof time this time.
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ShadowHawk wrote:if you are attacked with acid, and have armor of ithane on, would it protect you. and I am talking spit attack. I am thinking aheadof time this time.


Yes. It would protect you from the damaging effects of acid (providing, of course, that it didn't beat the AR), sacrificing some of its own SDC to do so.
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I would rule it as a nonenvironmental Forcefield.

Acids, gases, fire all have normal effect.
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Mark Hall wrote:
ShadowHawk wrote:if you are attacked with acid, and have armor of ithane on, would it protect you. and I am talking spit attack. I am thinking aheadof time this time.


Yes. It would protect you from the damaging effects of acid (providing, of course, that it didn't beat the AR), sacrificing some of its own SDC to do so.


Why would it take damage from the acid? Acid does damage by reacting with the target, but with AoI, there's no matter to react with. The acid, if it doesn't make its way inside the armor, should just fall away harmlessly like water would.
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Re: armor of Ithan vs acid

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flatline wrote:
Mark Hall wrote:
ShadowHawk wrote:if you are attacked with acid, and have armor of ithane on, would it protect you. and I am talking spit attack. I am thinking aheadof time this time.


Yes. It would protect you from the damaging effects of acid (providing, of course, that it didn't beat the AR), sacrificing some of its own SDC to do so.


Why would it take damage from the acid? Acid does damage by reacting with the target, but with AoI, there's no matter to react with. The acid, if it doesn't make its way inside the armor, should just fall away harmlessly like water would.


Because I don't want to have to come up with special exceptions for absolutely every thing, and so Armor of Ithan is affected by attacks except as it explicitly says.
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flatline wrote:being splashed by acid? sure.
being immersed in acid? probably not.

Agrees with flatline in that it will block the acid from damaging the character if it is just a splash. and the strike is below the AR.

AoI is not environmentally sealed so swimming in acid is not feasible.
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Re: armor of Ithan vs acid

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There is some acid in PF specifically which does extra damage to metal on page 264. Under the Armor of Ithan spell description on page 192 I do not see any mention of it being metal so would that mean it takes the reduced damage done to organic materials/leather/skin ? It doesn't seem organic either... maybe it takes no damage at all from metal dissolver? Does anyone remember if Armor of Ithan is ever called metal or alive?
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The AoI is Magic not metal. So any acid that does extra damage to metal does not do any extra damage to the AoI. Remember that some of the description was written so the average teenager starting to play the game could understand the "concept" of the spell. Not for Rules Lawyers parsing the exact language.
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