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I have a question about people who have their becoming at a younger age.

In the Nightbane Survival Guide, there is a quick little paragraph about stat penalties for younger Nightbane. I don't really agree with the exact stats changes, but that isn't my question. You see, after your Becoming, you age at a much slower rate; 1 year for ever hundred or hundred and fifty, as I recall. Does this mean that children mature at a slower rate as well?
You could argue it either way. The process of aging and decay is not the same as the growth and maturation process. So a person might Become a Nightbane at age 13, mature to full adulthood, but still be 13 for purposes of growing old.
Or the character might be stuck at 13 for a long time. It would be easier for girls, I think, because I've met a lot of small adult women who looked really young. But would their mental stats improve upon hitting 16, but not their physical ones? Or would their intellectual development be retarded along with the aging process?
Maybe, in true Nightbane fashion, it varies by individual.

As for the stats themselves, I have to wonder why they made it different for boys and girls. Sure there are difference, but their are differences for adults, too, and the game glosses over that. And why a penalty to Physical Beauty? A child can be very beautiful, it's just a different kind of beauty. The P.B. score does not necessarily equate to sex appeal.

I know this is getting nitpicky over a minor little rule, but hey, we're gamers, this is what we do, right? :wink:

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BillionSix wrote:snip...
Or the character might be stuck at 13 for a long time. ...snip

yes, physically they will appear to stop growing. Mentally they keep going. So you could have a Bane that looks like a young person while their mind is very old.

I had a Spawn in Rifts that got sent back to WWI germany and ended up looking about 17-18 after the char lived through the intervening years to get back to it stating time.

gmapprentice wrote:I haven't seen the book yet, but once i do i WILL have something to say. For now, all i can say is kids should get a PB BONUS if anything. Think about it. Kids are supposed to be "cute", right? That fades with age, right? Am I the only one who thinks this way?

I would give them a Cuteness Factor rather than adding to their PB.
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BillionSix wrote:And why a penalty to Physical Beauty? A child can be very beautiful, it's just a different kind of beauty. The P.B. score does not necessarily equate to sex appeal.


gmapprentice wrote:I haven't seen the book yet, but once i do i WILL have something to say. For now, all i can say is kids should get a PB BONUS if anything. Think about it. Kids are supposed to be "cute", right? That fades with age, right? Am I the only one who thinks this way?


PB is most readily equated to physical attractiveness. Thus, children have a lower PB for the same reason many alien races do. The average Palladium character (in Nightbane) is an adult human, and so the PB stat is based on what the average adult would find attractive. Granted, I would say that sexual attraction is not the SOLE determining factor to a being's PB, but that factor is (or at least should be) at nil or near enough to it for children, hence the reason for the PB penalty.

BillionSix wrote:As for the stats themselves, I have to wonder why they made it different for boys and girls.


Because in adolescence, the differences between the sexes are quite possibly the most readily apparent in comparison to any other point in a person's lifespan. By the time a character is an adult, it is more likely that they could have taken measures (not reflected by the skills) to average out their deficiencies (though Kev may have a different explanation for why he didn't do sex-based stats for adults). I based these penalties off of the ones printed in Chaos Earth for child characters, as well as my own knowledge of adolescent development, which is an area I am at least somewhat familiar with given my educational background.
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I still don't really buy it. If the average human has a P.B. of 10 or 11, that would make a child 7 or 8 on average, implying that teens and kids were homely or unattractive. You could make an argument about acne and the awkwardness of puberty, but in general childhood doesn't make you ugly.

As an alternate, you could say that average or low P.B. stays the same, but the effects of exception P.B. is at a penalty, -1 for every year under 16, max of -3. If you have a P.B. of 18, it's effectively 15 when you are a child, slowly raising to it's full effect as you go through your teens.

I still am unclear as to the rate of growth vs. aging after the Becoming, though. Is there an official word on that?

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gmapprentice wrote:wait a second on the whole PB argument... how does the Doll-Like Appearance morphus characteristic affect this?


I would say not affected. I think the penalties would only affect the façade. Plus, the doll-like appearance is a) supernatural, and b) supposed to be idealized.

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BillionSix wrote:I still am unclear as to the rate of growth vs. aging after the Becoming, though. Is there an official word on that?

Brian


No canon answer as of yet that I know of. I'll talk with Irvin and see what he thinks.
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a possible stigmata for kids could be coke-bottle glasses.
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abe wrote:a possible stigmata for kids could be coke-bottle glasses.

Or Cooties. Where if the target doesn't make a HF save, they are compelled to run away, hide or recoil any time there's even the slightest chance of the 'bane touching them :lol:
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seriously,what would be the effects of stigmata be on child nightbane?
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abe wrote:seriously,what would be the effects of stigmata be on child nightbane?



If you mean a NB who's morphus is a child, then double the HF bonus.*add an opinion label to this*
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abe wrote:seriously,what would be the effects of stigmata be on child nightbane?


Seriously: the same as for adults. I see no reason it would change.
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el magico -- darklorddc wrote:Unofficially, as Mark, Siembieda and I haven't really discussed it yet, my personal opinion is that the aging process begins retarding at maturity. So if you had your first Becoming when you were 13, you'd continue to age until you were 18-21 or so, then stop.

Also, and this is something people forget a lot, sometimes it's not the age, but the mileage. A Nightbane who generally appears to be about 21 even though he's 200 years old is still going to look a bit...matured...and people would probably guess him or her as being older, or would have doubts when asked how old they think the person is.


Good point. Some people don't have any real physical signs of age, but just carry themselves as older or wiser.

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