FBH wrote:Now, getting back to the point of the argument, you could say that Max had a superior mecha to his opposition, but the degree of superiority is not that marked and few gundam aces have achieved the kind of untouchablity Max often displays (though I don't disagree that he'd lose to Char or Amuro, but that's more cause they're new types to them being far superior pilots)
Actually, Char was by far a better pilot than Amuro through all the series up to CCA, where they are about equal. Until the more recent series retroconned Char as having an S-model Zaku at the beginning of the war, he was listed as having destroyed 5 warships with a standard C-model Zaku during the battle of Loum. Amuro was a better gunner than Char, which made their battles evenly matched since neither one could touch the other. Also, it should be noted that Char and Amuro were the weakest of all the Newtypes seen in the various series, with both of them barely having any telepathic ability at all. They both had intuitive combat senses that enabled them to survive. Other pilots, like Lalah Sune, Camille, Paptimus Scirroco, even that one MA pilot from the OYW, were stronger Newtypes than Char and Amuro. Char and Amuro weren't able to do half the feats that the other Newtypes were able to do until their MS were equipped with the Psycommu system.
I think in equal mecha, Max, Char, and Amuro would be about equal in that none of them would really be able to touch the others. The one advantage Max would have over the other two would come in hand-to-hand combat, mostly because he is a phenomenal martial artist, and Char and Amuro are not.
Zer0 Kay wrote:Nekira Sudacne wrote:some of them, like the 8th MS team, the Gundams are only slightly superior to normal mobile suits. for that matter I belive the origional Gundam was kinda like that too
in Gundam wing, other mobile suits were cannon fodder.
Original Gundam had superior Gundarium armor to the Zaku. Plus Sho was a New Type.
Actually, the original Gundam had lunar titanium armor, which is basically a lighter, stronger version of titanium armor, where-as the Zaku had steel armor. Otherwise, when it comes to straight construction, both MS were built in almost exactly the same manner (monoquoke shell). It was shown many times during the original series where pilots using Zakus, Goufs, Doms, and I think a Magella Top, were able to damage the Gundam quite severely. The episode that best showed that was the one where Sayla tried to show that she could pilot the Gundam, and got the head shot up and the feet cut off.
In the later part of the series, you had MS like the Gyan and Gelgoog that could easily show up the Gundam if it wasn't for the fact that Amuro was a superior pilot by that point in the story.
In the end though, the victor would be determined by who was the better pilot, although having a match up between equivalent capability MS and Valkyries would be interesting. Something like the Nu Gundam (with fin funnels) versus the VF-2SS (from Mac II with Sap Specials). Or a Zeta Gundam/Murasume versus a VF-1S. Or the Re-GZ versus a standard VF-1.
According to the RT book and Wikipedia.
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