Dark design? Is it still going to come out?

Nytemare Rhosyn · Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:25 am

Just wondering, because no word on the dark design progress forums. Has it been shelved? or is it still just being examined for spelling errors?
would love a word from someone up there of the fate of this book for nightbane. Is it real or is it that nightbane/nightspawn, is bieng killed off?

Glistam · Unread post by **Glistam** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:41 am

What is Dark Designs?

auyl · Unread post by **auyl** » Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:18 pm

Glistam wrote:What is Dark Designs?

It's a book that Warwolf was working on. Haven't heard anything about it lately but I believe he's still working on it.

Nytemare Rhosyn · Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:58 pm

no clue theirs been no words. id not be surprised if it got axed. rifts is top dog ya know... makes me sad nb is a fun as hell game

Nytemare Rhosyn · Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:07 am

also iv msg'd warwolf a bit back iv gotten no repsonse im assuming its dead

eliakon · Unread post by **eliakon** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:03 pm

Nytemare Rhosyn wrote:also iv msg'd warwolf a bit back iv gotten no repsonse im assuming its dead

"It's not dead. Its just pining, for the Fjords." :lol:

(Sorry, couldn't resist. On a more serious note considering the turn around on books I would not be surprised to see it come out next month, next year, or next decade. The release schedule is....spotty. Especially where Freelancers are concerned.)

Nytemare Rhosyn · Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:33 pm

well i could care less really when as long as its soon. an actual notice that yes its coming out or something. i reference the 2 bts books that are still coming soon....

Shawn Merrow · Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:29 am

Warwolf has posted before do to a busy schedule he does not come here very often. The last post he made about the book says he was still working on it.

Nytemare Rhosyn · Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:10 pm

reread it got finnished actually 100 % just no word what became of it when it got done

Shawn Merrow · Unread post by **Shawn Merrow** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:09 pm

Post subject: Re: Dark Designs Progress

That post says he is still playtesting it and has not submitted it yet.

Nytemare Rhosyn · Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:07 am

week ot two till i submit final draft an while waiting iv been playtesting... plz reread what he posted. were most likly waiting on palladium to decide if it wants the book or not

Zenvis · Unread post by **Zenvis** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:41 pm

What ever happened to the Blood Moon manuscript?

Shawn Merrow · Unread post by **Shawn Merrow** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:24 pm

Zenvis wrote:What ever happened to the Blood Moon manuscript?

That was cancelled a long time ago.

Zenvis · Unread post by **Zenvis** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:43 am

Shawn Merrow wrote:
Zenvis wrote:What ever happened to the Blood Moon manuscript?

That was cancelled a long time ago.

Awe man.

eliakon · Unread post by **eliakon** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:54 pm

Zenvis wrote:
Shawn Merrow wrote:
Zenvis wrote:What ever happened to the Blood Moon manuscript?

That was cancelled a long time ago.

Awe man.

Was that the one that was going to be the weres based on the Rifter article?

Zenvis · Unread post by **Zenvis** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:06 pm

Yup. Rifter 5 & 6.

eliakon · Unread post by **eliakon** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:24 pm

Zenvis wrote:Yup. Rifter 5 & 6.

Yeah, then that would be pretty much a non-starter for an actual game book. There is pretty much no way that you could get those worked up with out running into massive legal problems. To be honest I was surprised that they were able to do the Rifters.

Glistam · Unread post by **Glistam** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:45 pm

I think Nightbane might benefit from a high-level world book, discussing the Nightlord invasion and various factions across the world, not just North America.

Zenvis · Unread post by **Zenvis** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:53 pm

I think you are right.

eliakon · Unread post by **eliakon** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:27 pm

Nightbane, right now, has a couple major problems going for it. The first is that the various different authors have tried to take things in various different directions. This culminated in the Shadows of Light book that may (or may not have) be 'de-canonized'. The different books have been pretty cool, but they are almost like they are for different games. The world assumptions in 'Between the Shadows' is hard to reconcile with the world assumptions in Nightlands. Neither of those really meshes well with Shadows of Light or Through the Glass Darkly. The Survival Guide goes back and tries to retcon things even more.....
To be honest I love the setting....but it REALLY needs some serious love. The start of that would probably have to be a total reboot to make sure that the story line fits all the stuff that has been added (If there are there are all these astral PCCs...why is the Beach Head supplied by a pyramid? That's just one trivial example) Part of this would probably require that some of the basic questions actually be answered. Its cool to say that The Dark is something mysterious, or that Darkday is a mystery, or that no one knows where the Nightlords really comes from....IF your going to do just one book and leave it at that. But every book SINCE then has offered some sort of 'official' view on most of these...most of which are incompatable. You cant have BOTH the government totally unaware of the supernatural AND about to invade the nightlands. You cant have the Dark be a trapped abomination, AND be the embodiment of un-life. You can't have the cult of night be a tool of the nightlords AND a tool used to usurp them. I could go on and on.

Glistam · Unread post by **Glistam** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:20 am

What helps in dealing with this is that all the Nightbane books are written from a pseudo third person in-world perspective which presents its information as "this is what we know." Based on observations and collected data, the info presented is what has been "best guess" figured out. In some cases it contradicts because newer info came to light. In other cases the contradiction is caused by just wild speculation.

Of course that just masks the underlying problem, of the people who write the books having different ideas and taking things to different places. Unfortunately, it'll never go back to the first book's ideas. Kevin has already decided to distance himself from them and I think at best, we just hope and pray he doesn't decide to make the drivel in the Dark Conversions book canon for Nightbane.

I think a new book that could address these questions (if they aren't already addressed in the books today) would be a welcome addition to the Nightbane world:

Across the world, how are the various factions represented? Is there cooperation across national and continental borders?
What new factions are there, and are some of the factions we're familiar with just ultimately a subset of a larger, more global faction?
How has the Nightlord invasion strengthened or weakened national identity in various countries and throughout the factions?
Are there countries where the rulers are protected (either secretly or openly) by Nightbane? Could such a place become a safe haven free from the Nightlord rule? Could such a place last, or would Nightlord-controlled global politics destroy it?
Do the Nightlords have global goals? Are they instigating wars?
Are there any other Nightlords opposed to Moloch, and are they more successful in their machinations than the ones we currently know about?
I found this old thread about naming Nightland cities across the country and the world, something like this would be cool information to include.
A small section/note which discusses suggestions for how to adjust the Nightbane timeline forward (or backwards), and how changes in technology might affect a campaign where Darkday happened in a different (more recent?) year.
An updated equipment list.
Instead of new O.C.C.'s (thought there will probably be at least a few), discuss how to adjust the current O.C.C.'s to fit in different parts of the world. Include some new skills appropriate to those parts of the world.

I'd also be happy with a book focusing on adventures (like how BTS1 had "Boxed Nightmares"). Just some pre-made adventures, N.P.C.'s and scenarios for G.M.'s to either use in their campaigns or as one-shots.

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:12 pm

Zenvis wrote:What ever happened to the Blood Moon manuscript?

Sinding stole Hircine's ring.

Zenvis · Unread post by **Zenvis** » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:13 am

The Beast wrote:
Zenvis wrote:What ever happened to the Blood Moon manuscript?

Sinding stole Hircine's ring.

What does that mean?

Warwolf · Unread post by **Warwolf** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:33 am

Nytemare Rhosyn wrote:week ot two till i submit final draft an while waiting iv been playtesting... plz reread what he posted. were most likly waiting on palladium to decide if it wants the book or not

Actually, what I wrote was that it should only take a week or two of work once I got back all of my proofreader comments. For a change, I was right on the money with that prediction as I got the last installment of feedback at the beginning of January, spent a week down with the flu and another working overtime without time to devote to editing.

As to whether or not the book will come out I obviously can't guarantee, but I'm 7-for-7 on submissions so far.

So, long story short, NOW we wait to see what Palladium does with it. But I'm pretty confident we'll see it in print sooner rather than later.

For more info, check out the progress thread.

Warwolf · Unread post by **Warwolf** » Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:34 am

Zenvis wrote:
The Beast wrote:
Zenvis wrote:What ever happened to the Blood Moon manuscript?

Sinding stole Hircine's ring.

What does that mean?

It was an Elder Scrolls joke from what I gather.

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