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Just got my copy of the SC RPG book and I love it! Can't wait for more from Palladium.

My question is simple. Are the stats for these Alpha, Beta & Cyclone mecha supposed to supercede the stats in the INVID INVASION and SENTINELS RPG books? In other words, when they sent Scott Bernard in the 2nd REF wave, did he have the Alpha & Cyclone as described in RPG BOOK 5, or are we to re-imagine the Invid Invasion with the stats provided us in the new SC RPG book. That, of course, goes for the Invid stats and the new equipment write-ups.

On another note, does anyone think that perhaps the "Sentinels" story-line will be re-written for the new "Shadow Chronicles". Reading the timeline presented in the SC RPG book, it doesn't specifically mention anything that happened during the Sentinels. I know it doesn't necessarily mean that the entire plot "didn't" happen. Just strange they omitted such an involved story arc.

Anyway, just a couple of observations. Loving the book and keep 'em coming!!!
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darn.... I thouth you mean Southren Cross...
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Yeah we need some better acronyms for the different era's.
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Colonel Wolfe wrote:darn.... I thouth you mean Southren Cross...


whoops...sorry

I edited the topic to avoid confusion
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Tiree wrote:Yeah we need some better acronyms for the different era's.

hmmm.
SC = Southren Cross
tSC = the Shadow Chroincles
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Yup, that is exactly what I was writing, that is the best way to do the abbreviation.
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Nelzie wrote:My suggestion is to do whatever you want to do with the material.


Well, yeah I can always do that.

It's just that the more I read this book, especially when I go into the "background history" of these mecha, it seems to me that they are kinda re-writing history instead of saying "these are the new stats of the Alpha's, Beta's, etc. based on new technology."

I don't mind changing it for the sake of adopting the new continuity. Just looking to see if that is the case being presented...or am I just taking too much of the Protoculture Crack :lol:
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Picture all the new books as: Robotech 2.0 - an upgrade similar to Rifts UE was to Rifts.

All the new mecha should be utilized, all the old books should be thrown away, except used as reference material till the new books are published. Obviously they don't want you to throw the books away, but more use them as idea's and the information that isn't covered with the new books.

But yes this a reboot of the Robotech RPG
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Tiree wrote:Picture all the new books as: Robotech 2.0 - an upgrade similar to Rifts UE was to Rifts.

But yes this a reboot of the Robotech RPG


I thought as much. Not too much of a headache, but I kinda like it.

It'll defenitely make a newly run INVID INVASION campaign more fun :D
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Kevin has stated that he wrote this book, as he never wrote a Robotech Book before. Started fresh, new idea's, better material, and worked with Harmony Gold extensively.
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Colonel Wolfe wrote:
Tiree wrote:Yeah we need some better acronyms for the different era's.

hmmm.
SC = Southren Cross
tSC = the Shadow Chroincles
Thats what I have more or less been doing.
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ok get out your Sentinle and or Invid invasion book

Look up the names and designations of the Alfas.

Now look on page 95 and re-read that section

TIMELIANE ALERT!
2020 the Alfa entered production
2022 The Pionere mission is launched
2029 - 2030 Masters-SC errra
2031 - 2044 Invid invasion Era
2044 Shadow cronical era

to me any "Alfas" on earth prior to the Mars division attack are the "older" units with stats as they are in the old Invid invasion and Sentials books. Any "Betas" are the old "prototype" that is simularly stated to the one in the book with the exception of no chest missles.

The only cyclones on earth would be the older -030 series (the A L and R, the "A" would be the unit used as "suvival ride armor" for pilots)
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Drakenred®™© wrote:to me any "Alfas" on earth prior to the Mars division attack are the "older" units with stats as they are in the old Invid invasion and Sentials books. Any "Betas" are the old "prototype" that is simularly stated to the one in the book with the exception of no chest missles.


So you would keep the 10 mile radar range and possibly the 16 P-Cells for a year? Or are you just talking armor and weapons?
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Tiree wrote:
Drakenred®™© wrote:to me any "Alfas" on earth prior to the Mars division attack are the "older" units with stats as they are in the old Invid invasion and Sentials books. Any "Betas" are the old "prototype" that is simularly stated to the one in the book with the exception of no chest missles.


So you would keep the 10 mile radar range and possibly the 16 P-Cells for a year? Or are you just talking armor and weapons?
the armor and weapons,

Granted I would also roll back the Radar range a bit on the various modles and reduce the C3 bonus from having a comand Alfa in the unit
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Drakenred®™© wrote:to me any "Alfas" on earth prior to the Mars division attack are the "older" units with stats as they are in the old Invid invasion and Sentials books. Any "Betas" are the old "prototype" that is simularly stated to the one in the book with the exception of no chest missles.

The only cyclones on earth would be the older -030 series (the A L and R, the "A" would be the unit used as "suvival ride armor" for pilots)


Well that's just talking about Alpha's & Beta's & Cyclone's stats. But if that's the case, then the Invid's stats wouldn't have been touched.

Comparing the INVID INVASION & SENTINELS book stats and the SHADOW CHRONICLES we get two different stats for the Invid Scout for example (Original Main Body MDC was 50, Now in TSC it's 100)

That's why I think that this is a "rebooting" of all the statistical material for the Robotech RPG. The story remains the same (or somewhat) but these (meaning the new stats in TSC book) precede the rest.

To me it doesn't make sense to say that the old books represent "old tech" when they went ahead and even beefed up the old enemies as well. If thats the case, and you use the old INVID/SENTINELS stats, do you have them fight only the "old" Invid aliens stats OR do you use the new beefed up TSC stats.

Again, just my $.02 :)
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I see you did what you were talking about Drakenred with the Alpha's and expanded it to include the Beta's. I was going to do that too in my game.
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Nelzie wrote:
Tiree wrote:
Drakenred®™© wrote:to me any "Alfas" on earth prior to the Mars division attack are the "older" units with stats as they are in the old Invid invasion and Sentials books. Any "Betas" are the old "prototype" that is simularly stated to the one in the book with the exception of no chest missles.


So you would keep the 10 mile radar range and possibly the 16 P-Cells for a year? Or are you just talking armor and weapons?


I might use the old weapons and armor for a left behind Alpha and Beta fighter from when the SDF-3 went to off to find the Robotech Masters.

I prefer to use the new books P-Cell Gobbling feature as well as the Radar. In the show I recall a whole episode that was built around stealing P-Cells and a general theme or how fast those P-Cells emptied.


Remember, the Alphas, Beta and Cyclones all used in 'Invid Invasion' were all salvaged from the first liberation attempt for terra from the slugs ;)..so yeah..use THOSE stats for the poor schmoes on the ground (if you have the orginal RT books). Use the new stats and power drain ratings for the guys in the final liberation fleet and all subsequent missions.
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That's an EXCELLENT idea for using the older books...
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I was already planning on using those older book! It's a great idea though.
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Re: Question about Shadow Chronicles Mecha stats

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socom242 wrote: Are the stats for these Alpha, Beta & Cyclone mecha supposed to supercede the stats in the INVID INVASION and SENTINELS RPG books?


Yes. They wrote this RPG to REPLACE the old ones. Much like RUE replaced the Rifts Main Book. New rules, new stats, same old game.


On another note, does anyone think that perhaps the "Sentinels" story-line will be re-written for the new "Shadow Chronicles".


According to Robotech.com, Sentinels is now secondary canon and didnt really happen (although aside some time line contradictions, I dont see why it cant all fit.) Palladium is obliged to follow Robotech.com's new time line and story line.
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I did find some things odd with the Mecha Stats. They aren't in variations of 5. There were several instances that the Stats had something like 246 or 148 Not 245 or 150, etc... Very odd, and doesn't feel right in the grand scheme of things.

But I do realize I will need to create a cheat sheet of MDC Values for all the mecha now.
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Maybe those little differences need to be put into the errata section for the new book. Just a thought.
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