Vampires and Wampyrs

csbioborg · Unread post by **csbioborg** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:42 pm

Is there any difference between a NIght Bane vampire and a rifts one
Are there vampire intelligeinces etc

What is a wampyr? I'm curious if there is any good cross over material for rifts.

Are there normal humans that have a chance in NIghtBane or are the NightBane's the only viable chrecters outside of a conversion from another realm

Warwolf · Unread post by **Warwolf** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:40 pm

csbioborg wrote:Are there vampire intelligeinces etc

Josh got this one except that just because none are MENTIONED being on Earth...

What is a wampyr?

Good question, even they don't rightly know. One theory is that they are potential 'Bane that get turned. Others have linked their existence to the Nocturnes' vampires' claims that they somehow severed their connection with their intelligence. Still others believe they are some kind of mutant strain of vampire that crops up from time to time. Whatever the case, they have some of the same strengths as traditional vamps (supernatural strength, master psionics, etc.) with much fewer weaknesses (running water, crosses, and garlic don't hurt them, stakes do damage but won't put them in stasis).

I'm curious if there is any good cross over material for rifts.

Absolutely. Check out Dark Conversions for the skinny on how Rifts Earth's Nightlands (yep, it has one) work.

Are there normal humans that have a chance in NIghtBane or are the NightBane's the only viable chrecters outside of a conversion from another realm

Normal humans CAN work, though they typically have a major disadvantage in combat. One way to alleviate this is to play a psychic class, magic class (including the Sword Bearer detailed in Nightlands), or highly trained specialist.

Nekira Sudacne · Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:12 am

csbioborg wrote:Is there any difference between a NIght Bane vampire and a rifts one
Are there vampire intelligeinces etc

Nope, no real difference. Well, Wyampires don't exsist in Rifts earth. but as for intelligences, given taht Vampires in Nightbane arn't all taht widespread, one can assume tehy are RESPONICBLE but no Vampire Intelligence has managed to aquire enough minions to actually enter yet.

What is a wampyr?

No one is sure. That they are Nightbane who had not yet undergone the becoming is a good guess as to why they're not in Rifts or any other palladium setting

I'm curious if there is any good cross over material for rifts.

NO!

There IS some material in Dark Conversions, but it basically sucks. Incomplete nightbane information, arbitary, nonsensical rules to "convert", a rediculous explination of why they're there, AND Night Princes are still SDC on Rifts earth.

Are there normal humans that have a chance in NIghtBane or are the NightBane's the only viable chrecters outside of a conversion from another realm

There is mention in though the Glass Darkly that there is some kind of organization with enough weapons and power to pose a serious threat to the nightlords, as well as a technological means of getting there--and in fact, when dark day happened, this group invaded the nightlands--and caused enough damage that the nightlords pulled back when they did, leaving the initial damage incomplete. and while they DO say that the Nightlords pretty much won that battle, they WERE wounded badly enough to pull back and take stock, and why there is the gradual shadow war now.

Rallan · Unread post by **Rallan** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:50 am

Warwolf wrote:
csbioborg wrote:Are there vampire intelligeinces etc

Josh got this one except that just because none are MENTIONED being on Earth...

Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure that, canonically, there are no Vampire Intelligences in our dimension in the Nightbane setting. Partly because none are mentioned or implied to exist, partly because vampires are always portrayed as an unpopular underdog who've yet to do more than just survive in the Nightbane setting, and partly (well, mostly) because the Nightlords would absolutely tear to shreds any powerful alien intelligence that manifested in their domain.

The only reason they tolerate vampires at all... no wait, let me restart that. They don't tolerate vampires at all. They kill them wherever they find them. The only reason vampires survive at all is because they're a minor threat, and they haven't built up their power and numbers to the point where the Nightlords feel a need to focus on them in particular instead of just casually slaughtering vampires whenever they find some.

It makes for a nice ironic twist, with Nightbane being one of the few modern-horror RPGs where the masquerade isn't maintained because the monsters fear mankind's response so much as because the monsters need to fear the crackdown from even bigger monsters.

Warwolf · Unread post by **Warwolf** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:01 pm

Rallan wrote:Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure that, canonically, there are no Vampire Intelligences in our dimension in the Nightbane setting. Partly because none are mentioned or implied to exist, partly because vampires are always portrayed as an unpopular underdog who've yet to do more than just survive in the Nightbane setting, and partly (well, mostly) because the Nightlords would absolutely tear to shreds any powerful alien intelligence that manifested in their domain.

The only reason they tolerate vampires at all... no wait, let me restart that. They don't tolerate vampires at all. They kill them wherever they find them. The only reason vampires survive at all is because they're a minor threat, and they haven't built up their power and numbers to the point where the Nightlords feel a need to focus on them in particular instead of just casually slaughtering vampires whenever they find some.

You're crazy.

The reason I answered the question in that way is to leave room for the GM to do what he wishes in this regard. Just because it is never canonically mentioned that there is or isn't a VI on Nightbane Earth doesn't mean it is completely out of the question for one to gain a foothold.

You are correct in assuming that the Nightlords have a pretty vehement policy in regards to vampires (not to mention the Guardians tend to fry them on sight). However, it could be possible that a VI would be smart savvy enough to stay low-key and avoid the notice of the Nightlords... and therein is the more important reason that vampires and other Supernaturals can survive on Nightbane Earth. For as powerful as the Nightlords are, they are not Omniscient. If you can stay hidden or viewed as a minor threat, you might just be able to subsist.

Also keep in mind that the vampires of the Nocturne organization only CLAIM to be severed from their Intelligence. If this is a lie, there may be sufficient numbers of them to have brought a VI to Earth somewhere.

Rallan wrote:It makes for a nice ironic twist, with Nightbane being one of the few modern-horror RPGs where the masquerade isn't maintained because the monsters fear mankind's response so much as because the monsters need to fear the crackdown from even bigger monsters.

It's funny you see it that way. I've always seen it as BOTH. If the Nightlords become aware of the other monster(s), they seek and destroy (for the most part). If the humans become aware... well look at how Spook Squad has reacted for a pretty decent gauge on the typical reaction. Now imagine that reaction on a global scale (and subsequent reaction from the Nightlords) and the outcome isn't good for anyone involved.

Incriptus · Unread post by **Incriptus** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:54 pm

While it's not explicity stated there isn't one it is heavily implied . . . when discussing the possiblity of a VI appearing on Nightbane earth the book is always speaking in "if's" and uses terms like "The PPE nessessary simply doesn't exist" . . . "if an intellegence showed up psychics for over 100 miles would sense it" . . . "Practitioners of magic would sense the Nexus point it manifested on just went dead" . . . "Sworn enemies would probably team up to destroy it".

I'm pretty sure it's intended for there not to be one, but like you say, who knows.

But actually the Ironic thing about the vampire problem is that they need to strike the correct balance between being hidden and being in the open.

If you are public enough that there is a chance that people will learn that Vampires/Supernatural exist the nightlords have no choice but to destroy you.

If you try to build up a strong hold in a place that is overly remote the Nightlords can now just overtly destroy you. "There are reports of 1000 vampires in the mountains of pakistan", "Cool send in 15,000 hounds, 8000 hunters nobody will notice"

Nekira Sudacne · Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:21 am

Petite Elfgirl wrote:
Rallan wrote:Call me crazy, but (SNIP) the Nightlords would absolutely tear to shreds any powerful alien intelligence that manifested in their domain.

Call me crazier, but I remember reading somewhere (Nightlands, I think) that a Vampire Intelligence was more than a match for Ba'al . . . and I'm kind of hoping that I'm not crazy, because that might be a seed for a new Nightbane sourcebook . . .

Well, if I am crazy and there's no mention of said power of Vampire Intelligence anywhere . . . then all the more reason to fear me, right?

If you locked a VI and a Nightlord in an arena and had them go at it, the Nightlord would probablly win.

If you give both time to plan, reasonable minions and resouces to try to outmanuver the other, the VI has the advantage.

Warwolf · Unread post by **Warwolf** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:12 pm

Incriptus wrote:If you try to build up a strong hold in a place that is overly remote the Nightlords can now just overtly destroy you. "There are reports of 1000 vampires in the mountains of pakistan", "Cool send in 15,000 hounds, 8000 hunters nobody will notice"

I think you may be overestimating the resources the Nightlords have at their disposal. Doing something like that would almost definitely over-extend them risking either a dangerous lapse in security on Earth or in the Nightlands (either way the Nightlord has to worry about other factions or even other Nightlords wiping him or her out). Again, avoiding their notice (or brokering a deal) is key for the survival of any Supernatural after Dark Day.

Of course, this is even if there IS a VI on Earth... and I'm not telling. :demon:

Incriptus · Unread post by **Incriptus** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:30 am

Petite Elfgirl wrote:Is there a book out there that actually has the Vampire Intelligence's stats? Or are we left to speculate?

Shadows of light has there stats page 106

and no you didn't sound arrogant

Nekira Sudacne · Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:23 pm

Incriptus wrote:While it's not explicity stated there isn't one it is heavily implied . . . when discussing the possiblity of a VI appearing on Nightbane earth the book is always speaking in "if's" and uses terms like "The PPE nessessary simply doesn't exist" . . . "if an intellegence showed up psychics for over 100 miles would sense it" . . . "Practitioners of magic would sense the Nexus point it manifested on just went dead" . . . "Sworn enemies would probably team up to destroy it".

I'm pretty sure it's intended for there not to be one, but like you say, who knows.

But actually the Ironic thing about the vampire problem is that they need to strike the correct balance between being hidden and being in the open.

If you are public enough that there is a chance that people will learn that Vampires/Supernatural exist the nightlords have no choice but to destroy you.

If you try to build up a strong hold in a place that is overly remote the Nightlords can now just overtly destroy you. "There are reports of 1000 vampires in the mountains of pakistan", "Cool send in 15,000 hounds, 8000 hunters nobody will notice"

You overestimate how many there are: it says explicity most nightlords only have a few hundred houds to several thousand for King Moloch.

the weaknest nightlords have only _50_ hounds and about 20 hunters.

Incriptus · Unread post by **Incriptus** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:35 pm

Nekira Sudacne wrote:You overestimate how many there are: it says explicity most nightlords only have a few hundred houds to several thousand for King Moloch.

the weaknest nightlords have only _50_ hounds and about 20 hunters.

Nightlands:
Moloch: Minions
"He directly commands an army of hundreds of thousands of hounds, hunters, and namtar . . . "

Lilith: Minions
"Lilith controls tens of thousands of hounds, hunters . . . "

Magog: Minions
"Magog's armies include tens of thousands of Hounds and Hunters . . ."

Anyways you are right I was over-estimating the number that are available (as you are under-estimating) and it is true that placing such a large concentration could weaken the attacking nightlords forces enough to make him a target for one of his other rivals, but I think my point still stands. If your vampires are in too obscure a place the Nightlords are allowed to use mass numbers, more unique minions . . . and heck if its remote enough they can just call it a nuklear missile test, sure it don't kill vampires but i does kill their "cattle"

SoulofThunder · Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:09 pm

some question about Wamprys.

are they bound to the "home soil" rule regular vampires are?

and while they can pick whats looks to be any skill, they dont get ANY sort of bonus outside of a high IQ. is there something I may be missing?

I have more but those are the one's I need a little clarification on.

SoulofThunder · Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:37 am

ok, must wampry's exclusively drink human blood? i read the description and it said "blood".

SoulofThunder · Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:45 pm

ash_wednesday wrote:
FefnaGale wrote:ok, must wampry's exclusively drink human blood? i read the description and it said "blood".
It was common sense that all PB vampires must drink human blood. And since wamprys come from vampires, it's assume that they can only drink human blood.

thats not what is says though. it make references to "blood" not specifically "human blood". but a true vampire does look at people as food.

I think its a reasonable theory that a wampry(that isnt a true vampire), good in alignment" may not drink human blood if at all possible.

Warwolf · Unread post by **Warwolf** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:07 pm

FefnaGale wrote:thats not what is says though. it make references to "blood" not specifically "human blood". but a true vampire does look at people as food.

I think its a reasonable theory that a wampry(that isnt a true vampire), good in alignment" may not drink human blood if at all possible.

I'll have to look again to make sure, but that's always how I've read it.

Incriptus · Unread post by **Incriptus** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:28 pm

Nightbane never explicity states that they require human blood, the closest it says is that they can feed on nightbane, guardians or dopplegangers. There's also a mention about the strigoi must feed upon vampire blood ". . . in addition to the standard need for human blood".

Now it also says that Nightbane vampires are knock-offs of Rifts Vampires, and the Vampire Kingdoms book is very explicit about humanoid blood.

AlanGunhouse · Unread post by **AlanGunhouse** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:58 am

It was pointed out to me that Vampires not being visible in mirrors is listed on page 26 of Vampire Kingdoms, under the "Abilities Natureal to Vampires" as part of "Supernatural Aura".

csbioborg · Unread post by **csbioborg** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:19 am

well thanks for the answers I'll probaly check out dark conversions just to see whether hilden or nekira is right. I use to by white wolf but got turned off after they turnd out there new product line. I might try out nightbane as an alternitve.

Question though I like the wampyr being like sea titans version but wouldn't you see some in rifts if that was the case. Especially with all the CS troops out there as they are conditioned to fight off the superntural culturally.

Rockwolf66 · Unread post by **Rockwolf66** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:38 pm

In reading Between the shadows apparently there was once enough Vampires in Nevada to bring in an Alien intelligence. The PAB discovered it and they called in Tean Epsilon to destroy it.

My guess is that the other VI's saw this and decided to be alot quieter than the one who was caught.

BillionSix · Unread post by **BillionSix** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:38 pm

I heard that the reasons that Wampyrs exist on Nightbane earth is because of the lower magic levels. The vampire curse doesn't always "take" completely as a result. This could make Wampyrs possible in other lower magic settings.

Brian

AlanGunhouse · Unread post by **AlanGunhouse** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:13 am

. wrote:VAMPIRE FACTS:

►Vampire cast No reflection!
►Vampires can Not cross running water unassisted.
►Vampires are Negative Chi creatures (Mystic China), and are vulnerable to positive Chi Elemental forces like running water and sunlight.
►Vampires are NOT effected by; Negative Chi charged Stagnant water, sewer water, and spit...etc.
►Vampires Must drink Blood of sentiant beings (including D-Bees and aliens) but not "Lesser" life forms like animals.
►Wampyres are flukes with no clearly defined reqson for why they come into existance.
• Theorys: Wampyers are Nightspawn that have not undergone their first Becoming. This theory is difficult to prove as, Nightspawn/bane are immune to change and go through their "Becoming" when under duress. This would mean they'd just go through Becoming instead.
• Theorys: Wampyers are the children of parents that wer attacked at one time, and the children gained a form of immunity do to this.
• Theory: Wampyers were potential/latent psychics.

►Vampires are vulnerable to ALL holy symbols of religions of "Light" and or any religion that's deity actively appose Vampires.
►Vampires go into torpor when staked through the heart. Their body desitagrate down to the bone, but they are NOT dead. If the stake is removed they will fully ressusitate in seconds (7-15) insain with hunger.
►Vampires can be impailed through the heart by anything that can damage them, such as silver swords, wood stakes, rune and magic swords, etc...
►Vampires are Immune; Weapons of man, fire and cold, some/many physical attacks by supernatural beings unless otherwise noted. They can even survive a Nuke at point blank range.
►Vampires MUST sleep on soil from their home land. Failure will drive them mad.
►Vampires are vulnerable to; Magic, Psionics, some attacks by supernatural creatures like Nightspawn, werebeasts, hounds, Elementals, and other vampires (generaly damage is 1/2). Silver and Wood do double damage. Many (Not all) magical weapons have effect, and Rune weapons. Sun Light,
►Vampires have 3 metamorphic forms and gain animal abilitys in these forms.
►People "Turned" loose ALL powers and ability that are not Learned. They ratain (Chi and spell magic) as well as psychic powers.

First of all, Only master and secondary Vampires get magic, Wild Vampires and Wampyr do not. Second, any psychic powers you had before are replaced by those of the vampire. A Vfampire can feed on animal blood for a short time, but it is kind of like being on a diet of bread and water...it does not provide everything needed for health.

Wampyrs are an exception to a great many of these rules, they have reflections, can cross running water, can sleep anywhere out of the sun, are able to be damaged by anything, are not paralyzed by damage to the heart, are not repelled by holy symbols, and do not have other forms or the other powers of a Vampire besides the psionics (and even those are a bit different).

You also forgot Vampire variations like the Yara Mayha Sho from Australia, who have considerably different abilities.

csbioborg · Unread post by **csbioborg** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:20 am

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You also forgot Vampire variations like the Yara Mayha Sho from Australia, who have considerably different abilities.[/quote]

What is a Yara Mayha Sho is it link to a AI
could you give me the basic break down

Rallan · Unread post by **Rallan** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:52 am

Petite Elfgirl wrote:
Rallan wrote:Call me crazy, but (SNIP) the Nightlords would absolutely tear to shreds any powerful alien intelligence that manifested in their domain.

Call me crazier, but I remember reading somewhere (Nightlands, I think) that a Vampire Intelligence was more than a match for Ba'al . . . and I'm kind of hoping that I'm not crazy, because that might be a seed for a new Nightbane sourcebook . . .

Well, if I am crazy and there's no mention of said power of Vampire Intelligence anywhere . . . then all the more reason to fear me, right?

Yeah going by their stats in Rifts: Vampire Kingdoms, vampire intelligences could probably take on a Ba'al in a one on one fight. The problem (and I know I'm ridiculously late in replying) is that Vampire Intelligences tend to turn up one at a time, but there are hundreds (perhaps even thousands) of Nightlords in the Nightbane setting. And while the Vampire Intelligence is gonna have a few thousand vampire minions at his disposal (and as many demon allies and mercenaries as he can find), that's not gonna do much to stop the sort of massive armies of evil monsters that the Nightlords would quite happily send out to deal with a threat this big.

AlanGunhouse · Unread post by **AlanGunhouse** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:48 pm

csbioborg wrote:
What is a Yara Mayha Sho is it link to a AI
could you give me the basic break down

According to Rifts: Australia, it is what you get in Australia in place of Wild Vampires, due to the effect of the Songlines. They are pretty much independant of the AI, but are created the same way as normal.

Abilities: Night Vision 2000', See the Invisible, track by smell 60%, Climb 90%, Leap 12 feet up and 16 across, Supernatural strength and Endurance, PE+2d6*10 MDC, bioregenerates 2d6 MDC a round and regrows lost limbs overnight, knows all languages, most MDC weapons do only 10% of normal damage, SDC reapons only hurt of made of wood or silver, magic weapons do only half damage unless they are wood or silver. They are not particularly vulnerable to running water, but can drown...though like staking a Vampire this is only part of he answer...the body has to be cut up and fed to sharks to kill it that way. You can also stake it and cut it to pieces, burning the pieces and scattering the ashes...those are the ONLY two ways to kill it, any other way and it comes back from the dead on the third day.

Specter · Unread post by **Specter** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:51 pm

Rallan wrote:
Petite Elfgirl wrote:
Rallan wrote:Call me crazy, but (SNIP) the Nightlords would absolutely tear to shreds any powerful alien intelligence that manifested in their domain.

Call me crazier, but I remember reading somewhere (Nightlands, I think) that a Vampire Intelligence was more than a match for Ba'al . . . and I'm kind of hoping that I'm not crazy, because that might be a seed for a new Nightbane sourcebook . . .

Well, if I am crazy and there's no mention of said power of Vampire Intelligence anywhere . . . then all the more reason to fear me, right?

Yeah going by their stats in Rifts: Vampire Kingdoms, vampire intelligences could probably take on a Ba'al in a one on one fight. The problem (and I know I'm ridiculously late in replying) is that Vampire Intelligences tend to turn up one at a time, but there are hundreds (perhaps even thousands) of Nightlords in the Nightbane setting. And while the Vampire Intelligence is gonna have a few thousand vampire minions at his disposal (and as many demon allies and mercenaries as he can find), that's not gonna do much to stop the sort of massive armies of evil monsters that the Nightlords would quite happily send out to deal with a threat this big.

If there isn't any in fighting... I don't think all the Nightlords would respond all at once. They don't seem that unified. They might hold back reinforcements to let an rival get knocked down a peg or two. Or, just not care about a lower Nightlord...

AlanGunhouse · Unread post by **AlanGunhouse** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:52 pm

Considering that the Night Lords tend to destroy lesser vampires quickly, it is not like the Vampire Intelligence would ever manifest in the Nightlands.

AlanGunhouse · Unread post by **AlanGunhouse** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:27 am

Actually, in Vampire Kingdoms, it says Vampires do not have reflections. That seems to be the most definative text on the subject.

I liked the thread where is suggests that Vampires create the missorwall by sacrificing their reflections...it was an amusing thread.

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:22 pm

ash_wednesday wrote:
FefnaGale wrote:ok, must wampry's exclusively drink human blood? i read the description and it said "blood".
It was common sense that all PB vampires must drink human blood. And since wamprys come from vampires, it's assume that they can only drink human blood.

Incriptus wrote:Nightbane never explicity states that they require human blood, the closest it says is that they can feed on nightbane, guardians or dopplegangers. There's also a mention about the strigoi must feed upon vampire blood ". . . in addition to the standard need for human blood".

Now it also says that Nightbane vampires are knock-offs of Rifts Vampires, and the Vampire Kingdoms book is very explicit about humanoid blood.

el magico -- darklorddc wrote:
FefnaGale wrote:
ash_wednesday wrote:
FefnaGale wrote:ok, must wampry's exclusively drink human blood? i read the description and it said "blood".
It was common sense that all PB vampires must drink human blood. And since wamprys come from vampires, it's assume that they can only drink human blood.

thats not what is says though. it make references to "blood" not specifically "human blood". but a true vampire does look at people as food.

I think its a reasonable theory that a wampry(that isnt a true vampire), good in alignment" may not drink human blood if at all possible.

It's heavily implied, but never stated, AFAIK.
GMs can do with that what they will until something comes out later that specifies it.

. wrote:VAMPIRE FACTS:

►Vampires Must drink Blood of sentiant beings (including D-Bees and aliens) but not "Lesser" life forms like animals.

I agree with this, mainly because the Old Ones book has elf and changeling vampires.

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