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Yes, I know. The world got WRECKED, and WRECKED HARD. Manhattan is "MadHaven" for example.
Thing is I was California born and raised. I feel kind of "left out" by all the Oklahoma/Arkansas/Tennessee goings on.
with the occasional hint that the west coast states have a large number of "Fade" zones; I have to ask...

"Has anyone created fade-zone scenarios for west coast states?"
I ask
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Is Silicon valley a BORG-topia?
Did California fall into the sea?
Has the 101 mountain range area about "Cresent city" become a paradise called "The Emrald Isles"?
Has a city full of corrupt real estate and bankers, become dominated by a different kind of "Vampire intelligences" that (instead of cosmic bat-things) resembles "Spiders, Mosquitoes, Leeches, or ALL THREE?"
Has L.A. become a set of Arcologies (almost barren and ravaged by the apocalypse) full of "Breed mutants" Who are always born with;
Extraordinary P.S., P.P., P.E., P.B., Physical perfection, Healing factor, and Winged flight... calling themselves "The Lost angels",
who are terrified of touching the ground because...
Are the massive Sand dunes on U.S. 8 full of "graboids" or "Mongolian sand worms"?
Is Sacramento a literal "hell hole" that goes to hell?
Did the violent street gangs and Dope warlords of Stockton and Modesto turn into a militant Christian knighthood trying to push the Deevals back into the pit from whence they came?
IS there a tribe of Lizardman D-bees based on the desert horned lizard, who squirt pathogenic blood streams of "Flesh eating cells" like lasers from their eyes?
is 29 palms a walled off arcology of embattled U.S. Marines struggling against an alien kind of Xiticix who are based on those wasps that "paralyze you, inject eggs, and wait for you to BURST OPEN!
Is the national park, the GIANTIC Redwoods, is that actually a grove of Millenium tress tended by an army of ECO-Druids and Rangers
Did the C.I.A. Mk Ultra experimental Drugs saturating Oregon completely lobotomize the populace?
Did Washington state become a Bigfoot stomping ground?
Did Native American tribes like the Shawnee reclaim their nations?
Is there a DINO-NECROMASTER, raising an unspeakable army from the labrea tarpits?
Have the strange "Geode" "lava-men" of Mt.Lassen, Mt.Shasta and Mt.St.Helens, united in their plot to overthrow the surface world by detonating the Yellowstone Super volcano?
Is the bohemian grove (or hollywood), really full of illuminati survivors who promote their immortality through Child abduction, Sex trafficking, blood drinking and satanic sacrifce- to the GENERALS OF HELL?
Has San fransicko become a den of Mystic ninja clans vying for domminance?
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Should I turn these Ideas into "Rifter" articles too? (Boy! I have a lot to write!)
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What are your ideas?
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is the Seattle space needle the last N.A.E.S.A.Y outpost in contact with "rifts moonbase" and "Elon's Marsk" base?
Does Puegot Sound harbor a massive population of plesiosaurs...
battling Kaijus and servitor tribes who root for their favorite Megabeast?
Has Plastic surgery become replaced by genetic tweaking...
had football been upstaged by BIotech Supermen?
could genetically engineer supremely beautiful women become a new matriachal empire?
Has a small section of northern Cali; red bluff, vina, gerber, become surrounded in an unbreakable force field?
Are they actually the ones making the force field bubble to keep out "illegal aliens"?
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I've mentioned in the GNEverse that Seattle is part of Paladin Steel West, though much of the region got wrecked by volcanic ash drift and mudslides when Mt. Saint Helens blew its stack again. The Boeing Works are buried and later mined for data by the tech enclave that set up shop later.

I've also placed a couple of splinter Shemarrian groups at either end of California.
Never went into much detail about anything else, except that I thought that much of what was west of the San Andreas ws now a West Coast archipelago.

But you've certainly given me ideas for chaos in the spaces in-between.
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taalismn wrote:But you've certainly given me ideas for chaos in the spaces in-between.


I love your ideas! let's all write a "Fade empires of the west coast" world book, source guide, adventure book!
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A region of Stagnant knowledge, As cybernetic jacks with adapters for skill chips replaced independent education and freedom to think about new ideas
easter island moai invade the catalina underwater arcology?
Sea world and the san diego zoo becomes a united empire of hyper intelligent animals.
ohh... crazzy!
Toxic waste dumps in the central valley farmlands have become overrun by living animated mobile pits of quicksand that Tail and track their prey for miles but can't stray too far from their birth-pits.
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Well, it's mentioned in at least one Rifts book(and maybe a Rifter) that the ruins of the East Coast that are reachable have largely been worked out for salvage...but the big finds are all out west...at least from the perspective of Middlewest America. The people squatting on all those prospective sites along the West Coast may beg to differ, with regards. to treasure hunters coming their way.
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Just what is in...
or under...

Area 51?

as to "illegal aliens", are there any?
are they trapped on earth by the "Kessler" belts of shredded space debris orbiting earth at 67,502 miles per hour?

was Phil Schnieder telling the truth about "D.U.M.B.S." and the aliens living below our feet?
Was "behold a Pale horse" William Cooper right about "mass shootings/Staged school shootings" as psychological warfare+media mind control efforts to make Americans surrender their guns...
was Alex jones right? that big pharma is actually terrified of human "over-population" and they are using vaccines to exterminate as many as possible...

what could these mean for the world of RIFTS;
Are there underground empires of aliens and human slaves?
does the C.I.A. become Americas worst enemy, via infiltration of upper rank offices and brainwashing new recruits? are they the true origin of the "Federation of Magic"?
Is there a hidden enclave of big pharma genocialists still trying to reduce global population to less than 500 million?
conspiracy theories of the 70's became fact...
what horrors await the world of rifts,
...if Q anon was actually real?

COOKUOO STUFF MAN! :P
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The D&D "Drow" are not fiction...
in rifts earth they live in the 300 mile long "Underdark" of the Flint Mamoth caves.
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I did the rather archetypical thing of making Area 51 a pre-Rifts military research base that survived through the chaos of the cataclysm. They are completely insular, almost troglodyte-like, using their advanced technology to cloak themselves from the rest of the world. They've also spent all those years continuing to advance their technology and are light years ahead of the rest of Rifts Earth, even surpassing the tech the Naruni are slowly filtering into the world.

Unfortunately none of my players ever had the idea to go investigate it (which makes sense since none of them are scholars or pre-Rifts d-bees), so I haven't fleshed it out much beyond that. Here's hoping one day, though.
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psiandco wrote:Just what is in...
or under...

Area 51?
(Big Snip)
COOKUOO STUFF MAN! :P


I file that real world stuff under 'the names you mentioned were really a cabal of stranded Infernals, posing as humans, trying to manipulate mortals and stir up enough chaos to feed their need for PPE and emotional dissonance while they wait for an opportunity to return home with swag-bags of human suffering'...and would see it as a Beyond the Supernatural game.
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taalismn wrote:
psiandco wrote:Just what is in...
or under...
Area 51?
(Big Snip)
COOKUOO STUFF MAN! :P


I file that real world stuff under 'the names you mentioned were really a cabal of stranded Infernals, posing as humans, trying to manipulate mortals and stir up enough chaos to feed their need for PPE and emotional dissonance while they wait for an opportunity to return home with swag-bags of human suffering'...and would see it as a Beyond the Supernatural game.


I think you are right! :D
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I am from wa so I have in games done things there.
Just home brewed but.
Mt st Helen's has strong presence of fire and earth elementals. (Fire earth fusionist on it are called keepers of the fire.)
MT. Rainier erupted into a permanent rift to plane rich in natural resources that is mined by the tech nations/tribes.
Joint base Lewis-Mcord Tacoma and Olympia is a high tech free nation nation.
Seattle and north along the sound is controlled by a collective of tech native American tribes.
Yakima is controlled by a hostile Dbee empire that use the near by bases infrastructure to build war machines to raid in the pacific north west.
The Olympic Peninsula is an evil elf nation that raid and enslave people a crossed the sound. (possible connection to Atlantis)
I put Clone Lab 13 in the cascades and a robot factory controlled by archie in the Rockies. (Just so I can have a war between robots and clones.)
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psiandco wrote:Just what is in...
or under...

Area 51?

Area 51 is home to the Bandito Arms and gets a mention in WB14: New West (and IINM the Black Market SB though I don't have it).

As for the West Coast (CA, WA, OR) WB15: Spirit West is supposed to cover those regions as it is home to Native American Tribes. You might want to checkout WB30 (and WB20) for the "Bigfoot" stuff.
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Huh, they do mention that about Bandito Arms.

Seems a huge waste of potential just handing it off to an arms manufacturer like that, given all the urban lore and mystique regarding the location. Nevermind that aliens are actually real in the setting. But nope, it's only real claim to fame is a small SAMAS manufacturing plant and stockpile of some Glitter Boys. It wasn't even really focused on Air Force things, despite being correctly labeled as an Air Force Base. In fact it weirdly had a huge barracks for in excess of 50 full squadrons, which is more than what even Eglin Air Force Base has (which is the largest AFB in the United States). And even more oddly, it was completely abandoned and left fully intact, but with no apparent mystery or oddness about that so much as inferred in the write-up.

A pity that's all they did with it. But I guess that's par of the course for Palladium. :)

I mean, even turning it into Naruni's secret base on Rifts Earth where they do most of their importing would have been a more appropriate use of the place. Especially if they implied that the Uteni were the "greys" (despite being "blues") that made it into pop culture back before the Rifts came, particularly given their natural look.
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very cool, Thanks.
I have some reading assignments now!
Thank's for help with the research.
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worldbook 14 new west and worldbook 15 Spirit west have information of the west coast. especially WB15, which covers some of the native american groups out there, both traditional and tech using.
woldbook 7 underseas has mention of kingdoms on the west coast, but no details, other than the new navy exports weapons and some combat vehicles to them. worldbook 20 Canada has some stuff on British Columbia and that area. and SOT4 Cyberknights talks about how there is at least one cyberknight monastery somewhere in the american NW.
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An Alien Intelligence is trying to take over the west coast, held back by a brave human-supremacist, fascist government armed with pre-Rifts tech. There are groups of bad magic-users and some good magic-users.
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Mark Hall wrote:An Alien Intelligence is trying to take over the west coast, held back by a brave human-supremacist, fascist government armed with pre-Rifts tech. There are groups of bad magic-users and some good magic-users.


I love your ideas! let's all write a "Fade empires of the west coast" world book, source guide, adventure book...
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by popular vote...
do you think the "Northern Eagle Military Alliance" is a play on... F.E.M.A. ?

because, I do! :shock:
It is clearly an IDIOM.
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Well, there is also this: https://www.nema.org/about
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Kraynic wrote:Well, there is also this: https://www.nema.org/about

interesting, it has a unique Brand of nonchalance flavor to it. cicada 3301?
did they reveal who they might be connected to? is this a guide to
a secret within a secret...

Hrm. the plot thickens :lol:
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Hello Folk and Yolk. I will attempt to mold these various ideas into a cohesive and populated Rifts West Coast.

-Silicon Valley has become a haven for morphological freedom with infrastructure in place making personal augmentation with genetics and bionics commonplace.

-Crescent City has been resettled by D-bees.

-L.A. has mostly become Arcologies with most under the control of a Humanity First government equipped with NEMA tech.

-Sacramento has become a West Coast analog of Lazlo/New Lazlo.

-29 Palms has become a fortified settlement of Marines, military life and horned lizard D-Bees that shoot plastic eroding blood from their eyes.

-Redwood state and national parks have young Millennium trees growing under the watch of a new generation of Druids and eco-sentinels.

- Oregon State had tests done of a decedent of the CIA MK Ultra program under expanding the human condition. Results were inconclusive until the coming of the Rifts and several generations of exposure to ambient PPE, now most of the human population has an affinity for psionics at various degrees. Psionic classes are more common and accepted.

-Washington State has settlements of Sasquatch, some more open than others.

-La Brea is the site of a Necromancer civil war over control of the tar pits. Undead partly made of tar are common hazards for adventurers.

-Geode Hearted D-bees have converted the depleted Yellowstone super volcano into a new home for mineral kind, the Yellowstone Lithoplex.

-San Francisco has survivors resettling under Nu Ninja homesteads along with the ways of Chi.

-The original Seattle Space Needle has long collapsed. Now a new Space Needle is under construction by exiled refugees from Stormspire and the Federation of Magic.

-The Puegot Sound does indeed harbor a substantial population of sapient plesiosaurs along with their analog to the Pneuma Biform. They struggle to live along side servitor tribes worshipping lazy Daikaiju.

-A dieselpunk matriarchy is in negotiations with the Eshemar

-MT St. Helen is an elemental hotspot and refuge from the Eco War. MT Rainer has a permanent rift leading to a plane rich in mineral resources. The regional nations and tribes are in a tense ceasefire over access to the plane and mining rights.

-Joint Base Lewis-McCord, Tacoma and Olympia have merged into the tech nation of Destinoly.

-Native American tribes stripe the West Coast, reclaiming land infested by monsters and raiders.

-The Olympic Peninsula is dominated by a slave trading elf empire.

-There is a hidden fortress in the Rockies occupied by D-bee robots, deep in calculation as how to nullify magic across their new homeworld.

-Santa Catalina has an undersea arcology, Agua Relay, and is one of the few trade partners with Port Cesar. It also plays host to a population of settled uplifted octopi.

-Port Ceaser, formerly San Diego was a Golden Age leader in biotechnology and home to the San Diego Zoo and Seaworld San Diego. This has led to the reemergence on the West Coast as a bastion of uplifted animals. Think After the Bomb’s take on Zootopia.

-All these groups, tribes and nations are against a sunken/buried techno organic Alien Intelligence who is determined to make the entire West Coast an extension of itself.

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what about my "Lost angels"? Extraordinary PS,PP,PE,Healing factor, Physical perfection, winged flight.
or the alternate form vampire intelligences (mosquito, spider, leech) and their pawns (real estate agents and bankers, anything to shave off an extra percent!)?
what about the beleaguered City-state of red bluff and its Force field generators trying to keep out a horde of i-5 hwy 99 D-bees?
what about the bizarre "mobile quicksand" monsters and their hunting grounds?
what about the trapped here on earth alien "Greys" and their penchant for abduction, diabolical experimentation, and releasing the survivors?
what about the "Death worms" of the sand dune national parks and Death Valley? (*the real reason the Mexico vampires didn't dare enter California)
Silicon Valley isn't a star trek paradise, it is an S-hole with mounds of s all over the sidewalks..? maybe?
perhaps they are STRICTLY a BORG empire because normal squishies can't live there?
Perhaps the Silicon Valley BORG-topia, is also a dystopia; Skill chips have all the answers, science is over. no need to think for yourself.
Perhaps the only surviving vault of Pre-rifts knowledge is ruthlessly ruled by an A.I. who is trying to make earth a better place through the assimilation/borgifycation of humanity?
Perhaps the A.I. is actually a transferred intelligence driven mad by unforeseen technology issues?
Perhaps the A.I. is a power mad tyrant driven insane by "godlike" power..?
The CIA dope turned everyone in Oregon into "vegetable zombies" (vegetative and brain dead). Maybe the Human psychics have to fight the vegetable zombie hordes for survival?
Seatle and the nearby territory had embraced genetic enhancement. All citizens were normal humans altered to have; Extraordinary PS,PP,PE,Healing factor, Physical perfection, these
people are so smug, elitist, effete, and stuck up... that anyone who isn't perfect is treated like a walking health hazard monster. "Place your finger here on the gene tester please"?
What about the Hollywood rift that connects to "CLOWNWORLD"?
Has Alkatraz island become a prison city (human zoo)?
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the whole region can seem baren; but these "fade" empires all exist...
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I live in the south west washington region, and did some research years ago.
first of all the entire pacific rim is called the ring of fire for a reason (volcanos)
there is a fault line that starts around Vancouver island in canada, (more or less) and runs down along the coast to ~the middle of california almost identical to the one that caused the massive tsunami in asia a couple decades ago. it has 2 cycles a "short one of ~3-5 quakes every 2-300 years" and a "long" cycle of short cycles over ~3-5000 years ish

there is also the big monster mentioned in underseas that has "reachers" that can hit things a ways onto shore along the coast

then you have "first tribe" legends of some supernatural beings and "bad things" in the region,
and thats before you add in any of the stuff that the rifts and portals could allow to show up.
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I began taking some notes in another thread on the region, with an emphasis on potentially sentient mystical plants under the assumption that Millennium Trees are for whatever reason unable to grow in the Americas.
https://palladiumbooks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=159275&hilit=portland wrote:I really like how the Americas don't have Millennium Trees, but instead have similar plant beings like the Trees of Wisdom and Memory Trees of South America. I think there's something to be kludged together involving clonal organisms, particularly since there are a few in and around CA. In that some of these colonies are estimated as over ten millennia old, developing some kind of intelligence seems reasonable. The Jurupa Oak colony in Riverside is a fun example, since similar to many Californian oaks it is fairly fire resistant, to the degree that sprouting new growth requires it. Perhaps as a consequence of the Yellowstone eruption certain pyrophytic plants came to not only flourish but gain an elemental connection. The Palmer's Oak that constitutes the Jurupa colony only reproduces via cloning but produces large amounts of flowers and aborted acorns, which sounds tailor-made for empowered gifts. In that the plant never gets very tall, maybe there could be a limited psychic link between separated clones to compensate. Other plants that require fire to grow or propagate like lodgepole pines or fire lilies saved from the ruins of botanical gardens could grow beside them, tended by druid telegraph operators that are a cross between psi-druids and warlocks. And tell me there ain't something cool one could do with the Humongous Fungus.

Given the interdimensional nature of the Great Barrier Mountains, I'd consider playing with time travel. Perhaps the area around Portland OR is in flux, where the region shifts between alternate versions of the same area, separated by dimension or time or both. The inhabitants of these various versions can't travel between them, but some are linked by being in each other's past or future. Via agents not bound to a particular reality, both overt and subtle influences can be made.

For example, by convincing the Breathless Singers of the Neoarchean Era to manipulate carbon deposits, a mining survey of diamonds subsequently having always been there to be mined by the 32nd century Church of the Final Flesh can be exchanged for aerotolerance agents needed for the Singers to survive the Great Oxidation Event. Perhaps the psychic remnants produced by the spiritengines of Gloriana in Perpetuum change chirality when they reform 500 years later, and threaten to comfort She whose Screaming Saves the World. This could be a very neat place to play with multiple religious oligarchies, as suggested above. I'd say that each time/dimensional region, while consisting of the whole planet from the perspective of the natives, only extends for ~100 miles around Mt. Hood. Similarly, goods obtained from these pseudo-pocket dimensions return to their place of origin as soon as they're carried outside that limit. This way one can have an even more gonzo kitchen sink region within the kitchen sink game setting without it affecting anything else. Wheelers/Dealers of the AllCity seem like maybe a R.C.C. with flexible skills, or something that limits magic/psionics.

In another thread I talked about changing Vancouver Island into a smuggling haven shrouded by technologically-maintained mists. link
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I've been thinking about what other plants might be fun to uplift to near or actual sentience in this way. In order to distinguish them from each other I reckon, among other criteria, they each generally might operate along different supernatural modalities.

In California there is the Ancient Bristlecone Pine Forest, as well as the two best known redwood species. I like imagining that sentient Bristlecone Pines would act like young children, since as old as they are their age is dwarfed by some clonal colonies. Since they like hearing stories they are able to empower heroes whom will share tales of their exploits. Alternatively, maybe since clonal colonies keep renewing themselves the ancient pines are crochety jaded geezers who share secrets of Temporal Magic with Paradox Shamans and the occasional mutant capybara. Now that I write it I feel the paradox of ancient continually renewing colony plants fits Temporal Magic a little better, so the Pines could be a limited source of superpowers, maybe?

I have no idea what to do with redwoods. I don't think anything should be directly tied to Spirit-style magic, just because. There's a colony of Neptune Grass that's who knows how old off the coast of Ibiza, which maps to some combination of Ocean Magic/Biomancy/Water Elemental easily enough, but since that area is under Horune influence could work in something about the Dreamstream. I see the fungal mats of Oregon as being somewhere in between the Psynex of Psyscape and a fungus-based treatment of Mrrllyn/Zazshan I mentioned here and here.


Millennium Tree: Invidual entities, use Incantation/Ley Line Magic, doesn't communicate directly, provides a large number of usable items including housing, found in Europe/Africa/Japan
Tree of Memory/Tree of Wisdom: Encounted as individuals and in groups, Mix of Psionics/Incantation, communicates directly, is able to impart and store information, can imbue self into acorn, found in South America

Jurupa: Unique clonal entity, Elemental Magic, Limited communication with psychics?, provides gifts of elemental magic and extending range of psychic communication, found in Crestmore Heights, CA
Pando: Unique clonal entity, Astral Magic/Psionics, does not communicate, can grant Astral Projection/Intangibility, found in Sevier County, Utah
Bristlecones: Individuals, Superpowers/Psionic, communicates A LOT, provides temporary use of superpowers, Scattered throughout Utah, California and Nevada
Humongous Fungus: Clonal Entity, Psionic, Imprints on those whom make strong impressions, develops hive mind/limited herbalism?, found near Canyon City, Oregon
Ibizan Neptune Grass: Clonal Entity, Watery magic/Dreamy psionics?, limited communication through dreams, dried foilage can be used as insulation to prevent from dream attacks?, found south of Ibiza, Spain
Redwood: Individual, is BIG, man, I don't know, No really, found N. California along the Sierra Madre to SW Oregon
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Curbludgeon wrote:I began taking some notes in another thread on the region, with an emphasis on potentially sentient mystical plants under the assumption that Millennium Trees are for whatever reason unable to grow in the Americas.
https://palladiumbooks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=159275&hilit=portland wrote:I really like how the Americas don't have Millennium Trees, but instead have similar plant beings like the Trees of Wisdom and Memory Trees of South America. I think there's something to be kludged together involving clonal organisms, particularly since there are a few in and around CA. In that some of these colonies are estimated as over ten millennia old, developing some kind of intelligence seems reasonable. The Jurupa Oak colony in Riverside is a fun example, since similar to many Californian oaks it is fairly fire resistant, to the degree that sprouting new growth requires it. Perhaps as a consequence of the Yellowstone eruption certain pyrophytic plants came to not only flourish but gain an elemental connection. The Palmer's Oak that constitutes the Jurupa colony only reproduces via cloning but produces large amounts of flowers and aborted acorns, which sounds tailor-made for empowered gifts. In that the plant never gets very tall, maybe there could be a limited psychic link between separated clones to compensate. Other plants that require fire to grow or propagate like lodgepole pines or fire lilies saved from the ruins of botanical gardens could grow beside them, tended by druid telegraph operators that are a cross between psi-druids and warlocks. And tell me there ain't something cool one could do with the Humongous Fungus.

Given the interdimensional nature of the Great Barrier Mountains, I'd consider playing with time travel. Perhaps the area around Portland OR is in flux, where the region shifts between alternate versions of the same area, separated by dimension or time or both. The inhabitants of these various versions can't travel between them, but some are linked by being in each other's past or future. Via agents not bound to a particular reality, both overt and subtle influences can be made.

For example, by convincing the Breathless Singers of the Neoarchean Era to manipulate carbon deposits, a mining survey of diamonds subsequently having always been there to be mined by the 32nd century Church of the Final Flesh can be exchanged for aerotolerance agents needed for the Singers to survive the Great Oxidation Event. Perhaps the psychic remnants produced by the spiritengines of Gloriana in Perpetuum change chirality when they reform 500 years later, and threaten to comfort She whose Screaming Saves the World. This could be a very neat place to play with multiple religious oligarchies, as suggested above. I'd say that each time/dimensional region, while consisting of the whole planet from the perspective of the natives, only extends for ~100 miles around Mt. Hood. Similarly, goods obtained from these pseudo-pocket dimensions return to their place of origin as soon as they're carried outside that limit. This way one can have an even more gonzo kitchen sink region within the kitchen sink game setting without it affecting anything else. Wheelers/Dealers of the AllCity seem like maybe a R.C.C. with flexible skills, or something that limits magic/psionics.

In another thread I talked about changing Vancouver Island into a smuggling haven shrouded by technologically-maintained mists. link
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I've been thinking about what other plants might be fun to uplift to near or actual sentience in this way. In order to distinguish them from each other I reckon, among other criteria, they each generally might operate along different supernatural modalities.

In California there is the Ancient Bristlecone Pine Forest, as well as the two best known redwood species. I like imagining that sentient Bristlecone Pines would act like young children, since as old as they are their age is dwarfed by some clonal colonies. Since they like hearing stories they are able to empower heroes whom will share tales of their exploits. Alternatively, maybe since clonal colonies keep renewing themselves the ancient pines are crochety jaded geezers who share secrets of Temporal Magic with Paradox Shamans and the occasional mutant capybara. Now that I write it I feel the paradox of ancient continually renewing colony plants fits Temporal Magic a little better, so the Pines could be a limited source of superpowers, maybe?

I have no idea what to do with redwoods. I don't think anything should be directly tied to Spirit-style magic, just because. There's a colony of Neptune Grass that's who knows how old off the coast of Ibiza, which maps to some combination of Ocean Magic/Biomancy/Water Elemental easily enough, but since that area is under Horune influence could work in something about the Dreamstream. I see the fungal mats of Oregon as being somewhere in between the Psynex of Psyscape and a fungus-based treatment of Mrrllyn/Zazshan I mentioned here and here.


Millennium Tree: Invidual entities, use Incantation/Ley Line Magic, doesn't communicate directly, provides a large number of usable items including housing, found in Europe/Africa/Japan
Tree of Memory/Tree of Wisdom: Encounted as individuals and in groups, Mix of Psionics/Incantation, communicates directly, is able to impart and store information, can imbue self into acorn, found in South America

Jurupa: Unique clonal entity, Elemental Magic, Limited communication with psychics?, provides gifts of elemental magic and extending range of psychic communication, found in Crestmore Heights, CA
Pando: Unique clonal entity, Astral Magic/Psionics, does not communicate, can grant Astral Projection/Intangibility, found in Sevier County, Utah
Bristlecones: Individuals, Superpowers/Psionic, communicates A LOT, provides temporary use of superpowers, Scattered throughout Utah, California and Nevada
Humongous Fungus: Clonal Entity, Psionic, Imprints on those whom make strong impressions, develops hive mind/limited herbalism?, found near Canyon City, Oregon
Ibizan Neptune Grass: Clonal Entity, Watery magic/Dreamy psionics?, limited communication through dreams, dried foilage can be used as insulation to prevent from dream attacks?, found south of Ibiza, Spain
Redwood: Individual, is BIG, man, I don't know, No really, found N. California along the Sierra Madre to SW Oregon


Wow. if these are real book entries that I haven't read yet! I clearly need to do MORE research!
Thank you for this guidance and insight!
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HI EVERYBODY!
I am probably going to start writing and asking for EVERYONE to weigh in on what I write before I send in the "Unsolicited" form.
This isn't to steal ideas though! if "you" have an idea that "You" do not want me to submit with the final draft, please let me know which one it is and I will make sure that I do NOT unlawfully include your creation/content. I will be a writer; I will not be a thief.
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Oh, no, the actual plants mentioned are real, as are their non-supernatural characteristics, but those are just some ideas to develop the region. I generally think the region shouldn't be too developed in terms of technology, simply because it isn't that hard to cross the continent given some vehicles' speed. One solution I've considered for that is to use a much lower ceiling on air travel relative to sea level, composed of a spirit-based barrier such as those surrounding China or in the Yucatán. That way there can be flying power armor and even some planes along the US Eastern Seaboard, but on the other side of the continental divide much more than a tree trimmer would risk getting astrally shredded.
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There are a couple of Native American Preserves on the west coast. They always seem to be forgotten whenever the topic comes up.

I recall YEARS ago (like 18 years or so), there was a bunch of us that tried to make a "world book" of the west coast here on the forums, but I don't believe an of that material is still around.
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taalismn wrote:I've mentioned in the GNEverse that Seattle is part of Paladin Steel West, though much of the region got wrecked by volcanic ash drift and mudslides when Mt. Saint Helens blew its stack again. The Boeing Works are buried and later mined for data by the tech enclave that set up shop later.

I've also placed a couple of splinter Shemarrian groups at either end of California.
Never went into much detail about anything else, except that I thought that much of what was west of the San Andreas ws now a West Coast archipelago.

But you've certainly given me ideas for chaos in the spaces in-between.


Mt Rainer, Mt Baker, Mt Hood and possibly Mt St Helens would have blown as every volcano in the Pacific Ring of Fire blew during the Great Cataclysm. Which Boeing plant are you referring to? I have always pictured the Boeing Everret plant with a huge wall around it patrolled by robotic vehicles. Before it was published that Free Quebec was the source of new Glitter Boys showing up I envisioned Boeing’s Everett plant as a Glitter Boys and robotic vehicles manufacturing plant before the Great Cataclysm.
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Mlp7029 wrote:[

Mt Rainer, Mt Baker, Mt Hood and possibly Mt St Helens would have blown as every volcano in the Pacific Ring of Fire blew during the Great Cataclysm. Which Boeing plant are you referring to? I have always pictured the Boeing Everret plant with a huge wall around it patrolled by robotic vehicles. Before it was published that Free Quebec was the source of new Glitter Boys showing up I envisioned Boeing’s Everett plant as a Glitter Boys and robotic vehicles manufacturing plant before the Great Cataclysm.


The one near Seattle, where they used to build seaplanes?
I always figured that during the Golden Age, Boeing, still being. big government contractor, invested in mega damage reinforcement for their facilities...but not even MDC walls would keep their locations from being buried under volcanic ash and sky-trash.
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taalismn wrote:
Mlp7029 wrote:[

Mt Rainer, Mt Baker, Mt Hood and possibly Mt St Helens would have blown as every volcano in the Pacific Ring of Fire blew during the Great Cataclysm. Which Boeing plant are you referring to? I have always pictured the Boeing Everret plant with a huge wall around it patrolled by robotic vehicles. Before it was published that Free Quebec was the source of new Glitter Boys showing up I envisioned Boeing’s Everett plant as a Glitter Boys and robotic vehicles manufacturing plant before the Great Cataclysm.


The one near Seattle, where they used to build seaplanes?
I always figured that during the Golden Age, Boeing, still being. big government contractor, invested in mega damage reinforcement for their facilities...but not even MDC walls would keep their locations from being buried under volcanic ash and sky-trash.
That is the Renton Plant now where 737s are built. The Everett Plant is supposedly the largest building by volume in the world. It is not in the lava/giant runout landslide pathetic of any volcanos so while like a lot of Western Washington it would get ash fallout it would not be totally buried. All of Boeing’s plants in the Puget Sound area except Everett would likely have been destroyed by Mt Rainier, tsunamis or earthquakes.
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My buddy made a campaign called "The Coalition in California" where he had a group of CS Soldiers exploring the west coast. He based alot of it off of Fallout 1 and 2.
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If I recall correctly the tribe listed as controlling production in WA reservation is coastal to the coast so would have mostly been wiped out by giant waves.
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My G.M. did an adventure set in California that we had a lot of fun with. Basically, we were hired by ARCHIE to run down a Mechanoid broadcast that he had intercepted via satellite. Some form of communications that had suddenly gone active that were using the com-satellite that ARCHIE normally uses. To say he did the electronic equivalent of dumping in his shorts is an understatement. Turns out a small group, composed of a few Brains, 6 Runners, Exterminators, Brutes, Wasps, and Tunnel Crawler's, plus some Skimmers, Runts and Thinmen survived. This was a group that was sent out to explore Rifts Earth. (Part of Group 2.) Well, they survived, and have actually built themselves a nice little production facility and are starting to churn out robotic Mock-men at least, and are very close to getting a cloning facility up and running.

So, using Titan Robotics as a go between he hired our group to find out what was going on. Ended up using a converted C-130 to travel to the area of California the signal originated in, and then it was recon till we found them. ARCHIE even sent an additional force of Shemarrian's to shadow us and if necessary, deal with any Mechanoids themselves. We ended up hooking up with them, and the GM used the variant sentient Shemarrian's from these boards as at least part of the force ARCHIE sent our way.

Nasty buggers led us on a merry chase first in tracking them down in Northern California, and then, eventually, across the Pacific into Russia and all the way to Germany before we finally managed to kill that last bloody Brain before he could get set up again.

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Slider65 wrote: ARCHIE even sent an additional force of Shemarrian's to shadow us and if necessary, deal with any Mechanoids themselves. We ended up hooking up with them, and the GM used the variant sentient Shemarrian's from these boards as at least part of the force ARCHIE sent our way. .


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I was working on the West Coast a bit, back when I had a group interested in Rifts; they were part of a merc company that was going to escort some Lazlo people out the to see what was going on.

Edit: I found my notes; it turns out I'd decided that the Ab Mechanoids went to California after the newer Mechanoids got killed off, and I had Neo-Seattle as a small city, partially a magical kingdom comprised half of humans, the other half D-Bees, and they have some NEMA equipment.
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Curbludgeon wrote:Oh, no, the actual plants mentioned are real, as are their non-supernatural characteristics, but those are just some ideas to develop the region. I generally think the region shouldn't be too developed in terms of technology, simply because it isn't that hard to cross the continent given some vehicles' speed. One solution I've considered for that is to use a much lower ceiling on air travel relative to sea level, composed of a spirit-based barrier such as those surrounding China or in the Yucatán. That way there can be flying power armor and even some planes along the US Eastern Seaboard, but on the other side of the continental divide much more than a tree trimmer would risk getting astrally shredded.


I was actually part of that group we got shutdown/shotdown. NW aka Cascadia is too different from mystic and wild west books we have rain forests here and the largest living organism in the blue mountaind. I have a note from Kevin on a rift he sent me sayi g they had big plans for the Pacnw.....in 2005 or 2004.
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Crimson Dynamo wrote:Huh, they do mention that about Bandito Arms.

Seems a huge waste of potential just handing it off to an arms manufacturer like that, given all the urban lore and mystique regarding the location. Nevermind that aliens are actually real in the setting. But nope, it's only real claim to fame is a small SAMAS manufacturing plant and stockpile of some Glitter Boys. It wasn't even really focused on Air Force things, despite being correctly labeled as an Air Force Base. In fact it weirdly had a huge barracks for in excess of 50 full squadrons, which is more than what even Eglin Air Force Base has (which is the largest AFB in the United States). And even more oddly, it was completely abandoned and left fully intact, but with no apparent mystery or oddness about that so much as inferred in the write-up.

A pity that's all they did with it. But I guess that's par of the course for Palladium. :)

I mean, even turning it into Naruni's secret base on Rifts Earth where they do most of their importing would have been a more appropriate use of the place. Especially if they implied that the Uteni were the "greys" (despite being "blues") that made it into pop culture back before the Rifts came, particularly given their natural look.


Ok, you just made me think more about Bandito Arms & Area 51 in Rifts than i ever did. Might tempted to have the guys at Bandito still squatting there while studying the centuries old "Grey" (Naruni) tech, Uteni corpses and who knows what else. Or maybe Lone Star itself has some samples too in old sections not quite acessible to Bradford to boot. :twisted:
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One could even go a step further, and suggest that maybe the old United States actually reverse-engineered Uteni/Naruni tech there, leading to the development of the SAMAS, Glitterboy, and maybe even all the "ultra tech" of the pre-Rifts era. Hence why Area 51 has a stockpile of vehicles there that don't make any sense being there.
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Crimson Dynamo wrote:One could even go a step further, and suggest that maybe the old United States actually reverse-engineered Uteni/Naruni tech there, leading to the development of the SAMAS, Glitterboy, and maybe even all the "ultra tech" of the pre-Rifts era. Hence why Area 51 has a stockpile of vehicles there that don't make any sense being there.


Or Area 51's role between the 2020s to 2090s simply changed along with the formation of NEMA or somemuch? For me it as the "alien evidence stockpile" has always more of OG meme gone wild than anything.

Honestly have to re-read on the West books, Bandito & Area 51 to decide what i would do with them.

Speaking of California, Silicon Valley's tech - supposing some version of it still exist as an actual community instead of one of the first nuke targets - i imagine it would have more to do with robotics, AI & virtual/enhanced reality than cybernetics & bionics, so somewhat closer to Archie's base in Aberdeen or the Moon colony under the rule of Archie's big brother from Mutants in Orbit, i guess?

About changes brought by the coming of the Rifts, mighty tempted to make it along with Baja California and some other parts, separate into an island while the ocean fills in forming a new sea. What bizarre mix of survivors and immigrants, terrestrial, dimensional or other, might settle in this transformed land (maybe some beings & things coming from Japan, Australia or Lemuria?), that is something to define later, when i have something to do with it.


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SolCannibal wrote:Or Area 51's role between the 2020s to 2090s simply changed along with the formation of NEMA or somemuch? For me it as the "alien evidence stockpile" has always more of OG meme gone wild than anything.

To be fair, that's kind of the bread and butter of Rifts though. There's a reason why the New West has Cowboys and Indians vibes, why England is very fantasy D&Dish, and so on and so forth; the cultural zeitgeist and collective beliefs of the area. Plus, you know, aliens are definitely real in the game setting, so it's entirely plausible for a ship to have crashed in the 1950s and been reverse engineered, leading to the technological boom of the decades that followed.

But yeah, that said, the Area 51 described in the book is all kinds of weird. Going by it's description, it was the largest air force base in all of the United States, and by a healthy margin. Yet, apparently, it was uber secret... and abandoned, in pristine condition, despite being a prime location for humans to hide and ride out the apocalypse (most notably those who were stationed there). It's just nonsensical all around. Why was it abandoned--not destroyed, not captured, not ravaged by disease or starvation; just straight-up abandoned--complete with a functional stockpile of state-of-the-art military tech in prime condition?
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SolCannibal wrote:Or Area 51's role between the 2020s to 2090s simply changed along with the formation of NEMA or somemuch? For me it as the "alien evidence stockpile" has always more of OG meme gone wild than anything.

To be fair, that's kind of the bread and butter of Rifts though. There's a reason why the New West has Cowboys and Indians vibes, why England is very fantasy D&Dish, and so on and so forth; the cultural zeitgeist and collective beliefs of the area. Plus, you know, aliens are definitely real in the game setting, so it's entirely plausible for a ship to have crashed in the 1950s and been reverse engineered, leading to the technological boom of the decades that followed.


Yeah, true, also one of the reasons people disparage the hell out of DB3 & 4 both at least.

Honestly, Area 51 is such a magnet of weirdos that having it as bait to distract from the real top secret alien autopsy & reverse engineering labs seems more sensible to me. (As aside, now super tempted to GM a version of Machinations of Doom where the PCs find an Uteni sales agent in cryogenic sleep among other things)

Crimson Dynamo wrote:But yeah, that said, the Area 51 described in the book is all kinds of weird. Going by it's description, it was the largest air force base in all of the United States, and by a healthy margin. Yet, apparently, it was uber secret... and abandoned, in pristine condition, despite being a prime location for humans to hide and ride out the apocalypse (most notably those who were stationed there). It's just nonsensical all around. Why was it abandoned--not destroyed, not captured, not ravaged by disease or starvation; just straight-up abandoned--complete with a functional stockpile of state-of-the-art military tech in prime condition?


"Fade towned" for decades or centuries? When it came back the United States were long gone and the base's crew dead or just imprisoned between dimensions.
Either that or a flesh-eating blob with superior invisibility. :twisted:

(Yeah, i love creating stuff with the random monster creation tables from RMB)

Anyway, i like the idea of Area 51's actual secret function being both utterly mundane and of imense strategical value, so a super hardware depot in essentially pristine state is ok with me, though i would definitely take the time to come up with some crazy bits around it.

(Or would come up with some more sensible line of events for Bandito Arms managing to replicate the SAMAS, like stealing blueprints & models or whatever, that has nothing to do with Area 51)
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IF people hiding in a base ran of food and moved to find food that would make it abandoned. Even having a plague outbreak could cause it to be abandoned. Abandoned could just mean no living people, depending on how the writer used it. Not being told why it was abandoned does not mean there was no reason to abandoned it.
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"Hey literally 100s upon 100s of guys in the world's largest air force base-sized base, we're kind of running low on food."

"Oh damn, you're right. We should all go out and look for more as one collective whole."

"Yeah, but be sure to leave behind those pristine Glitter Boys and SAMASes, and all the other stuff that would help defend us/help us travel/help us actually gather food while we're out there. Don't want to, uhm, bog us down or something."

"Oh yeah, that makes perfectly logical sense. Good call, Gus."

Snarky sarcasm aside, it was the way that it was abandoned, with no apparent corpses or even burial sites, that makes the whole thing odd. They just apparently left it, properly stored and preserved and in the best possible condition. It's nonsensical. Starvation, disease, invasion... none of those fit the scenario. It was pristine.
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Crimson Dynamo wrote:"Hey literally 100s upon 100s of guys in the world's largest air force base-sized base, we're kind of running low on food."

"Oh damn, you're right. We should all go out and look for more as one collective whole."

"Yeah, but be sure to leave behind those pristine Glitter Boys and SAMASes, and all the other stuff that would help defend us/help us travel/help us actually gather food while we're out there. Don't want to, uhm, bog us down or something."

"Oh yeah, that makes perfectly logical sense. Good call, Gus."

Snarky sarcasm aside, it was the way that it was abandoned, with no apparent corpses or even burial sites, that makes the whole thing odd. They just apparently left it, properly stored and preserved and in the best possible condition. It's nonsensical. Starvation, disease, invasion... none of those fit the scenario. It was pristine.


Honestly, it has been years since i last skimmed the book, so can't say i remember things with much detail, but the whole "fade out" or something equally weird is my way to handwave the subject. That truth be told can be utterly ignored in the first place as a bit of background that affects an adventuring group of PCs in little no nothing unless a GM retcons things for a group of players to BE the group of black marketeers that bumps into the place in such mysterious conditions described.
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it is worth noting that "area 51" is just a small subset of the larger Nevada Test and Training Range, which itself is part of the Nellis AFB complex. in fact "area 51" specifically refers to the grid reference for the Groom Lake facility, which is the testing grounds for experimental aircraft in US service, particualrly the 'black projects'. much of the reputation it has stems from the projects to develop aircraft liek the SR-71, F-117, F-22, and so on, not to mention testbeds like the X-29, X-31, and foreign aircraft evaluation programs (on stuff liek the MiG-17, MiG-21, MiG-23, and others.)

that the location is part of the same airspace as the Tonopah test range (where the USAF flew captured russian MiG's for training, and where the F-117 squadrons were based out of)

so people would see aircraft they couldn't identify, sometimes pulling extreme maneuvers that seem impossible, or which couldn't be picked up on radar, and not knowing about forward swept wings and thrust vectoring or stealth tech, they decided it much be alien tech.


the rifts 'area 51' complex i suspect is just groom lake, expanded and developed even further. and it is worth noting that neither WB14 or SB7 say that the complex was 'pristine and mysteriously abandoned'. just that black marketeers found it and turned it into their base because of all the pre-rifts technology and data it had.

i think you are confusing it with the Lone Star Facility, which was described in WB13 as having been pristine and abandoned in perfect condition.
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glitterboy2098 wrote:it is worth noting that "area 51" is just a small subset of the larger Nevada Test and Training Range, which itself is part of the Nellis AFB complex. in fact "area 51" specifically refers to the grid reference for the Groom Lake facility, which is the testing grounds for experimental aircraft in US service, particualrly the 'black projects'. much of the reputation it has stems from the projects to develop aircraft liek the SR-71, F-117, F-22, and so on, not to mention testbeds like the X-29, X-31, and foreign aircraft evaluation programs (on stuff liek the MiG-17, MiG-21, MiG-23, and others.)

that the location is part of the same airspace as the Tonopah test range (where the USAF flew captured russian MiG's for training, and where the F-117 squadrons were based out of)

so people would see aircraft they couldn't identify, sometimes pulling extreme maneuvers that seem impossible, or which couldn't be picked up on radar, and not knowing about forward swept wings and thrust vectoring or stealth tech, they decided it much be alien tech.


Definitely fits with my "mundane but strategically important function" view i dare say. Thanks for the explanation.

glitterboy2098 wrote:the rifts 'area 51' complex i suspect is just groom lake, expanded and developed even further. and it is worth noting that neither WB14 or SB7 say that the complex was 'pristine and mysteriously abandoned'. just that black marketeers found it and turned it into their base because of all the pre-rifts technology and data it had.

i think you are confusing it with the Lone Star Facility, which was described in WB13 as having been pristine and abandoned in perfect condition.


Could be, would have to reread WB14 & SB7 to say for certain. For me personally its the whole "SAMAS was duplicated by Bandito Arms thanks to recovered Golden Age of Man data" that has always been the most bothersome bit of developing canon. Not a deadboy fan or anything but never been very happy with the reveal of them as just "the Glitterboy's forgotten cousin" so to speak.
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the SAMAS has been a pre-rifts design the CS copied from literally day one.
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