Vampires and Psionics

Reagren Wright · Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:50 pm

Another question, if a psychic gets turned into a vampire does he keep
his psychic powers or not. And if he does keep them, does he get the additional ISP
along with the vampire psychic abilities? I know if he's
a spell caster he retains his PPE level, he just doesn't get any more per
level. Just wondering if psychic abilities work just the same.

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:14 am

I think they lose all psychic powers in favor of the new ones.

Tinker Dragoon · Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:56 pm

If turned into a secondary vampire, wild vampire, or wampyr, ALL powers of any kind are lost (i.e. magic, psionics, racial powers, etc.) and replaced with the powers of the vampire RCC. Master Vampires may retain the powers of their former life at GM's discretion; IIRC, Rifts Vampire Kingdoms allowed Master Vampires to retain their old magic and psionic powers, but Nightbane only mentions the retention of magic.

Reagren Wright · Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:03 pm

So if a astral lord or astral mage got turned into a vampire, would he still be linked to his astral domain? and for that matter could he still go astral?

Tinker Dragoon · Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:13 am

Yep, you're right; I was erroneously looking at the Wild Vampire. SVs only retain half of their old spells, and their spell level is permanently frozen. For psionics it just says "see psionic powers." Perhaps someone can check Rifts Vampire Kingdoms or PF: Eastern Territory to see if this is addressed therein?

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:14 am

Tinker Dragoon wrote:Yep, you're right; I was erroneously looking at the Wild Vampire. SVs only retain half of their old spells, and their spell level is permanently frozen. For psionics it just says "see psionic powers." Perhaps someone can check Rifts Vampire Kingdoms or PF: Eastern Territory to see if this is addressed therein?

I remember this was asked in one of the Rifters and I think the answer was all psychic powers are replaced with the vampire psychic powers. I don't remember the issue though, so I'll start digging in the morning.

Reagren Wright · Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:18 pm

David you hit it right on the money on the reason I was asking this
question. What happens to an Astral Lord/Mage if he or she gets turned
into a vampire? I believe the realm would still exists because it was
created by PPE. But I think the Astral Lord is screwed because most of
his powers are psionic based. But here's the big point, there's no sun
in the astral plane. So if someone was in the astral plane when the
intelligence made him into a Master Vampire, the whole soil from the
homeland wouldn't even come to play, unless you consider ectoplasm
the homeland soil. The vampire could bring his victims to the astral plane and his secondaries worry never have to worry about sunlight. They
could be active all the time.

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:40 pm

Reagren Wright wrote:David you hit it right on the money on the reason I was asking this
question. What happens to an Astral Lord/Mage if he or she gets turned
into a vampire? I believe the realm would still exists because it was
created by PPE. But I think the Astral Lord is screwed because most of
his powers are psionic based. But here's the big point, there's no sun
in the astral plane. So if someone was in the astral plane when the
intelligence made him into a Master Vampire, the whole soil from the
homeland wouldn't even come to play, unless you consider ectoplasm
the homeland soil. The vampire could bring his victims to the astral plane and his secondaries worry never have to worry about sunlight. They
could be active all the time.

But they would still need the soil from their homeland. Which means that the astral kingdom would need Living Condition 2 when building it.

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:33 am

Macistan wrote:Astral Vampires. Nifty.

They all ready have them in Between the Shadows.

Marcethus · Unread post by **Marcethus** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:12 am

yes they do they are on pg 70 of Between the Shadows and they are called Vampire Specters.

Gomen_Nagai · Unread post by **Gomen_Nagai** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:19 pm

and when ever an astral lord dies his domain Goes with him, unraveling at a rate of 100 PPE an hour.

As for Vampire specters, they can invade domains the old fashion way.
The only way for a Vampire Astral lord to exist is... it isn't.
... You Might be able to salvage someting from that Tartarus kingdom in shadows of light to enable such a creation.

Reagren Wright · Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:17 pm

I noted in Vampire Kingdoms that it says the undead requires to have the
soil from the land from where he was turned into a vampire. So if you're
turned into a vampire in Flordia you can have soil from anywhere in
North America. However, if a vampire intelligence makes you a master
vampire while you are in the astral plane, then you have no need for soil.
Or you need a coffin of ectoplasm I suppose.

I like the astral vampires but SoL through me a real curve ball when it
says they and the "normal vampires" are allies. That doesn't make sense.
Normal vampire come from individual intelligences, and they don't particularly like each other.
Vampires compete against each other
so why would those from the astral plane be allies with those on Earth?

Marcethus · Unread post by **Marcethus** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:13 pm

Because there is a major difference between astral vamps and the ones on earth. the Vampire Specter (astral vamp) is that it is a SN predator and not a true vampire.