The Shroud talent vs magic detection??

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The Shroud talent vs magic detection??

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Wanted everyones opinion on this.The Shroud makes you invisible and noiseless to normal vision/senses and electronic devices,but what about magic senses like detect invisible or stuff like that?
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The shroud is equivlent to Invisible(superior) which is not detectable by See the Invisible.
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can't. only the Hounds and such can see though the shrouds as it's own ability
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Bastionbane wrote:While we have always played the Shroud as making the 'Bane completely undetectable, it has made me wonder if the psionic abilities presence sense or such would be able to "see" the 'Bane? What about the Martial Arts powers like Zanshin.

Basically what I am asking, are there any limits as to what the Shroud will keep one hidden from (aside from hounds)?


Zanshin would let you sense them as normal, I'd rule
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Bastionbane wrote:Following that, presense sense would also negate the Shroud, as well as sense evil or good.


Psychic powers can't get though the shroud.
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the shround, while it makes you invisible, IT MAKES YOU PLAINLY VISIBLE to The person you're stalking.
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Gomen_Nagai wrote:the shround, while it makes you invisible, IT MAKES YOU PLAINLY VISIBLE to The person you're stalking.


no. it says plainly your only visible to that person IF YOU WANT IT.
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Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Gomen_Nagai wrote:the shround, while it makes you invisible, IT MAKES YOU PLAINLY VISIBLE to The person you're stalking.


no. it says plainly your only visible to that person IF YOU WANT IT.


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I just forgot about the Selective thing.. but then I'd inflict that purposefully on PCs...


But in either case I'd say it would still run afoul of Sense PResence, CHi awareness and similar abilities
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chi awareness yes but Presence Sense no because it is a psychic power and the shroud can't be penetrated by psionic detection abilities.
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Bastionbane wrote:I do not see too much distinction between the two abilities. They both sense the presence of something or someone who cannot be seen for what ever reason. If one is allowed then the other should be also.

Zanshin reads of intent to do harm and following the chi trail back to the attacker. Presence Sense reads of sensing the supernatural and creatures of magic and knowing that they are in the area. Sense Evil reads of the radiating nature of supernatural creatures and allowing the psychic to get a feel of where they are.

As I understand things, Nightbane are supernatural creatures no matter what their form is or thier alignment.


there is a difference between chi and senseing evil/supernatural. therefore one (chi) can work while psychics (presense sense) can't.
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The Last Darkness wrote:I always belived there was only 5 ways to penetrate through "The Shroud" Talent.
Remeber this talent is extremly powerful and take constant concentration and PPE to keep active. This makes it superior to simply a Invisibility spell.

1) Zanshin can "see" through the Shroud where it applies.
2) Psionic Omnisight I belive could be argued to see through the shroud.
3) A 4D being can see through the Shroud where applicable
4) A Bane who crated a talent specificaly to see through the Talent.
5) Psyicaly trapping the Bane, say he falls into a tiger pit trap etc, hes still a physical being so he can still set off physicaly traps like pit falls and trip wires etc


I don't see how psychic omnisight applies, and I don't see why a 4d being would be able to see one either. they can't see the invisible, just everything that is visible.
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Zanshin as per N&S allows one to see all chi around him rather it be possitive or negative. *In bad martial arts movie dubbing* "What good is it to see your attacker, if you know not what you must move past" *end bad martial arts movie dubbing*
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