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just random observation...

in the van helsing movie, dracula lives in a world on the other side of mirrors...

sound familiar?

wonder if it's just coincidence, or people who'd read the nightbane stuff...


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sinestus wrote:
right...
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just random observation...

in the van helsing movie, dracula lives in a world on the other side of mirrors...

sound familiar?

wonder if it's just coincidence, or people who'd read the nightbane stuff...


Coincidence.
More than likely, they read "Through The Looking Glass" by Lewis Carrol (sp?).
Which also wasn't inspired by Nightbane.

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mirrors...literature and games are filled with em! just play a scenario or two from CoC and you will stumble into a mirror....AD&D had them...so, that doesnt mean a thing, I guess.

besides that, the movie wasnt too good IMO.

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It was more like a BTS movie, like The Mummy was a BTS movie.

A Nightbane move would need bane in it. and modern day.


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God... like this is the only game that uses mirrors.

Read 'Mordant's Need' by Stephen R. Donaldson. THAT is a freakin' good book on Mirror Magic. Through the Glass Darkly should borrow a page from that. Speaking of that... make that World Book 6: TtGD2, and have all that stuff in it.

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This movie was completely based off of Whight Wolf's Werewolf: The Apocolipse. They even do some abilites and stuff from the game in the movie( When Hellsing scrapes his claws across the wall and the become sharp. Razor Claw)


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Nightbane the movie would need bane... but wouldn't need to be set in modern day.

However putting Van Hellsing and Nightbane together should be a punishable offence

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This movie was completely based off of Whight Wolf's Werewolf: The Apocolipse. They even do some abilites and stuff from the game in the movie( When Hellsing scrapes his claws across the wall and the become sharp. Razor Claw)


sad... they said the same about Underworld...


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Eh, I don't think Van Helsing was a Nightbane movie at all. BTS is sort of a stretch, but much closer.

As for Underworld.... same basic thing.

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as for Underworld: IT IS A vtM novel Plagiarized into a Hollywood Movie

as for Van Helsing: They were just borrowing From every popular Horror source.

As for Nightbane movies:
PHANTASM
NIGHTBREED
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Trolls
Little Monsters

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Some thoughts from The Clown:

Underworld: White Wolf has yet to prove anything beyond passing similarities. The claims that it's ripped off of WoD seem to be false, much like the old "Stargate ripped off Fringeworthy!" urban legends that circulate now and then.

Van Helsing: Godawful movie. I'll say that again: godawful movie. Nothing directly stolen from either Nightbane or World of Darkness, but plenty of elements stolen from other movies (Rocky Horror Picture Show and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen are ones I haven't seen anybody else mention). I don't so much mind a movie borrowing elements or inspiration from other work if it's done well, but this movie didn't. It's not as bad as, say, Battlefield Earth, but only because it doesn't have John Travolta as a Jamaican Klingon in Elevator Shoes. I'd give Van Helsing a 4 on the Hoff-o-Meter.

You know, if I were the Grand Master, High Prophet and God CJ I'd be insulted that somebody linked my work to that tripe. :D

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I'm insulted for him.

I could see linking Underworld and Nighbane not because they have the exact same creatures and setting. But, because it has the same feel of Nightbane. Dark gritty struggles under the veil of darkness... 8-) I miss playing Nightbane very much.

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Beelzebozo wrote:
Some thoughts from The Clown:

Underworld: White Wolf has yet to prove anything beyond passing similarities. The claims that it's ripped off of WoD seem to be false, much like the old "Stargate ripped off Fringeworthy!" urban legends that circulate now and then.



Right. Just like Final fantasy spirits within is a completely Original movie..
that has the SAME CINEMATOGRAPHY, Character archetypes , STORYLINE, ENDING, Battles... As Princess Mononoke (Wolf Girl)


Just because you change a dress, Change a sex, does not an original work make.

it's legally allowed, but it's still a RIPOFF

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Well, Final Fantasy sucked so... why would they rip off something that had been done before if what had been done before sucked? I've never heard about this story you speak of.

Solomon would say... There is nothing new under the sun. Now quit your *****!

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if you want another example:
Laputa: Castle in the Sky is the same exact movie as Disney's " Atlantis: the Lost city" ..
in any case, The white wolf case was dismissed because it was filed at the wrong court.

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sinestus wrote:
Malraza wrote:
This movie was completely based off of Whight Wolf's Werewolf: The Apocolipse. They even do some abilites and stuff from the game in the movie( When Hellsing scrapes his claws across the wall and the become sharp. Razor Claw)


sad... they said the same about Underworld...


With "Underworld" they had a legitimate point. The whole story was almost identical to a WW short story called "For Love Of Monsters" or something like that.

This is old but here is a brief blurb on the subject from when it started to get going (I rarely post links from my investigations, but since I'm about to delete this one I might as well).

http://www.gamewyrd.com/echoes/others_13.php

Otherwise, I wouldn't be surprised if Van Helsing also liberally borrowed from WoD. To be quite frank one cannot help but be inspired by what they read, and when it comes to Vampires and Werewolves White Wolf has written more than almost anyone. I figure any real fanboy of the subject matter is going to at least be passingly familiar with this version, and it's not surprising that a lot of their ideas are making apperances in differant vampire/werewolf stories.

I'd be willing to believe that Van Helsing drew some inspiration from WW products, however I think "Underworld" did more than just draw a little inspiration.

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sinestus wrote:
right...
spoilers about...


just random observation...

in the van helsing movie, dracula lives in a world on the other side of mirrors...

sound familiar?

wonder if it's just coincidence, or people who'd read the nightbane stuff...


So does Freddie Kruegar.

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Interestingly enough, there's an anime made by Gainax called Nadia: Secret of Blue Water. Watch that, and you WILL wonder if the guys who created Atlantis had any orginality whatsoever. Nadia came first, and Atlantis 's such a bloody frikkin' ripoff.
As for Laputa, although there are some simularities (and it's impossible to be COMPLETELY original), Hayao Miyazaki has a style and originality all his own. :)

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Every these days rips off something else . Underworld ripped off werewolf and vampire , who had already ripped off most modern horror literature anyway so it does not matter . Van Helsing and the Mummy would be good plots for a BTS Game , or with modification any Palladuim game .
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Although i dont think ive ever come accross a film, book or games about the adventures of soup bubbles in the world of Bathtub . Perhaps that could be palladiums next book. Rifts dimension book: Bathtub :D :-D


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Really, notghing today is "Origonal", but as long as they Keep about a 20-30% diffrnece everybody is happy. White Wolf had a Viable Claim about Underworld, but with any Suite, it is a likely to fail as to pass, depends on the Liberal Judge who's over the Case.

Alot of people say Todays Fantasy borrows heavily from JRR Tolkiens LOTR.... buit he him self borrowed fomr norse mythology, and other older Sourses of Fantasy (Even the Christian Bible).
Underwolrd: Okay movie, alot liek WOD.

Van Helsing: Not so good movie.... Van helsing was a Cross between Wolverine and a Garou, the Gypse Girl was nearly useless..

Like Nightbane, The Way the Werewolves Change could be considred shifting to a Mohphous

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Although i dont think ive ever come accross a film, book or games about the adventures of soup bubbles in the world of Bathtub . Perhaps that could be palladiums next book. Rifts dimension book: Bathtub :D :-D


Back in the 1980's Williams Electronics (before it was absorbed by Midway)did a coin-op video game where you played a soap bubble. :p


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trying to get your number of posts up, Willow?? :D



Underworld was quite bad and heavily borrowed from WoD. Blade I and II did too by the way...

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Blade was a bit Like a WoD copy, but He was a Marvel Property. if WW tried to Sue Marvel, they may bother some of there Fan bois and Gurls who still pick up Marvel comics.

Blade was more Established, after helpin Spider man Hunt Morbious for years... and teaming up with Ghoistrider and Jonny Blaze.

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Colonel Wolfe wrote:
Blade was a bit Like a WoD copy, but He was a Marvel Property. if WW tried to Sue Marvel, they may bother some of there Fan bois and Gurls who still pick up Marvel comics.

Blade was more Established, after helpin Spider man Hunt Morbious for years... and teaming up with Ghoistrider and Jonny Blaze.


Especially as Blade was in existence at least a decade before a bright boy ever though of creating a vamp RPG or establishing the wod

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Technically speaking Blade Existed Before Marvel Aquired him in the 80s - He was among the Black superheroes that were independently published by small publishers.

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Technically speaking Blade Existed Before Marvel Aquired him in the 80s - He was among the Black superheroes that were independently published by small publishers.


Blade was acquired by Marvel? I thought he was one of their creations... was rather heavily tied into their Dracula comics.

BTW, as I got those comics in the early 80s, it makes me believe they actually date from the late 70s (the comics I had are in Bordeaux, if not completely lost, so I can't check)

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Blade Actually Goes back more then 30 years....

First Apperance in the Toom of Dracula #10 which was in 1973....

That gives nearly 2 decades of Marvels own World of Darkness settings...

Read more on it here:

http://www.toonopedia.com/dracula.htm

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I was going to post a link to the penny-arcade comic that has to do with this, but I can't get the page to come up. Long story short, White Wolf is a newcomer to both werewolves and vampires. Their material smacks mostly of Anne-rice.

If anybody was origional it was Vlad the Impaler, or the guy he ripped off.

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These 2 are hard core Nightbane movies: Mutronics, Guyver the dark hero. Both have morphing good and bad guys.

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Blade Actually Goes back more then 30 years....

First Apperance in the Toom of Dracula #10 which was in 1973....



Thanks Colonel, Tomb of Dracula WAS the comic I was thinking of, only I couldn't remember the original title.

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