Tech questions

[Dustin Fireblade]

I don't believe the UAR-1 or Death's Head Transports are pre-rifts. I don't have MiO anymore but I don't recall artificial gravity with the exception of the space stations spinning around to generate it.

Regarding Japan, the tech based OCC's should all work. Headhunter's might work as a Mercenary, or perhaps a "super-soldier" type experiment. You might need to do some tweaking - I don't have the books in front of me at the moment to offer suggestions on that though.

[glitterboy2098]

:? I'm starting up a game, and I was wondering about some tech or equipment questions. It appears that at least much of the early Coalition tech was actually Pre-cataclysm, ie the rifles, though not as good as the CE versions, the skullbots, Samas, GB's, recovered ships ect.
Is there reason to believe that things like the UAR-1 or some of the other Coalition Robots or transports were from the Pre-cataclysm era?

i've usually assumed the Coalition infantry gear (C-10, C-12, C-14, C-18, C-27, and both sets of armor) from the RMB/RUE were basically the Army's gear, and NEMA was employing "improved models" due to their smaller size, bigger budget, and "showpeice" role.
the CS just found the blueprints in their library, and started producing them. though a few errors crept in for things barely within their abilities (like the C-10's targeting scope problem..)
i also assume the iron heart tanks and aircraft were part of the army and airforce's gear as well. i can't see the army abandoning tanks entirely for robots (too expensive), and the electric drive IHA MBT's are almost as good as a robot in firepower, while being much cheaper.
likewise i tend to assume the USA SAMAS (and it's derivitives that were the prototypes for the sindwinder and wildweasel samas in WB14) were actually an army unit, not airforce. (the SAMAS doesn't make much sense for the Air Force..though it being a joint development project is certainly possible.)

I can't seem find my old copy of Mutants in orbit but did they have artificial gravity or inertial compensation technology by the time of the Rifts?

nope. the only 'artificial gravity' they had was to spin part of the ship to generate centrifical force. and 288 years later, during the time of rifts, that's still their only option.

[Yendor]

Actually, the Coalition's weapons (the older stuff, not new, Coalition War/109 PA stuff), is NEMA gear (includes the UAR-1 Enforcer, which was based off of the Bulldog or Mastiff NEMA robot). Only thing they don't have is the NEMA Ion Pistol, and the other NEMA robots/power armor. (Rifts Sourcebook 1 Revised & Expanded).

Short version Space Marine, yeah, they are the NEMA weapons, just (in some cases), not as good as they should/could be. Artificial Gravity doesn't exist in MIO (it would make sense if it did though, and I see no problem if you 'house rule' it in).

[jedi078]

I'm not a big fan of the Coalition being born from old technology when everyone else seemed to be making their own.

The CS just happened to re-engineer the old NEMA tech before anyone else. Everyone else then copied or modified these designs. The became the super power it is in North America because it recovered the old tech before anyone else did.

IMO the CS is for all intents and purposes the descendants of the 'Neemans'. Remember, NEMA set up shop in Chicago, which is not that far from where Chi-town would eventfully be built.

[Metathiax]

you hit the nail on the head, All CS gear is engineered from the Nema plans found in the library of old chicago and the ruins of the lone star facility.

also they did receive some technology from triax to assist but they aren't quite up to the nema level yet.

however the big revelation is that archie 3 has access to the plans for ALL nema weapons and equipment and can produce them en masse if he wants,

a few all purpose bots with pilot robots and robot combat elite, or just reinforce the whole thing and make it a robot with it's own intelligence and make it a tougher prospect.

Don't feel bad about the CS useing old nema tech, Northern gun appears to use old CS tech seems like and wellington uses old military tech based on NG and triax designs. All juicer and bionic or cybernetic tech is pre rifts, Chipwell armaments well I cannot say but I would figure is just copies of better power armor using really cheap materials.

Wilks is the only NA manufacturer that stands on it's own two feet....for now.

[Jason Richards]

On my phone so I'll be brief, but all North American tech than can be directly dated to before the cataclysm is located in a download on http://jasonrichards.net

CS gear, while based on some recovered NEMA tech, is not the same as actual Golden Age tech.

[Jason Richards]

also, and I can't stress this enough, there is no direct NEMA to CS correlation. A lot of people want to frame NEMA as Coalition Jr. and that's not the case at all.

[Metathiax]

On my phone so I'll be brief, but all North American tech than can be directly dated to before the cataclysm is located in a download on http://jasonrichards.net

CS gear, while based on some recovered NEMA tech, is not the same as actual Golden Age tech.

Where is this I cannot find it. on your site

[drewkitty ~..~]

:? I'm starting up a game, and I was wondering about some tech or equipment questions. It appears that at least much of the early Coalition tech was actually Pre-cataclysm, i.e. the rifles, though not as good as the CE versions, the skelabots, Samas, GB's, recovered ships etc...
Is there reason to believe that things like the UAR-1 or some of the other Coalition Robots or transports were from the Pre-cataclysm era?
I can't seem find my old copy of Mutants in orbit but did they have artificial gravity or inertial compensation technology by the time of the Rifts?
Also does anyone have an idea as to what OCC's from Rifts Japan would fit into the CE era? Or how headhunters would fit into the era.
Thanks?

The New RSB1 under the "Republicans" text answers this question.

[keir451]

also, and I can't stress this enough, there is no direct NEMA to CS correlation. A lot of people want to frame NEMA as Coalition Jr. and that's not the case at all.

Nah, They're not CS Jr., Heck they're not even CS Sr.. They're just NEMA, tho' over the intervening decades as the old values were lost some people might be willing to go the CS route.

[Jason Richards]

On my phone so I'll be brief, but all North American tech than can be directly dated to before the cataclysm is located in a download on http://jasonrichards.net

CS gear, while based on some recovered NEMA tech, is not the same as actual Golden Age tech.

Where is this I cannot find it. on your site

Under downloads: Chaos Earth Resources. There is also an errata there if you are interested.

[Jason Richards]

also, and I can't stress this enough, there is no direct NEMA to CS correlation. A lot of people want to frame NEMA as Coalition Jr. and that's not the case at all.

Nah, They're not CS Jr., Heck they're not even CS Sr.. They're just NEMA, tho' over the intervening decades as the old values were lost some people might be willing to go the CS route.

Right. There are generations of Dark Age between the final fall of NEMA and any other civilization, and the formation of what would become the Coalition States. There is no direct correlation between any part of civilization from the Golden Age and what we see in Rifts. Everything in Rifts started from scratch, even if people did occasionally rediscover things.

[The Galactus Kid]

also, and I can't stress this enough, there is no direct NEMA to CS correlation. A lot of people want to frame NEMA as Coalition Jr. and that's not the case at all.

Nah, They're not CS Jr., Heck they're not even CS Sr.. They're just NEMA, tho' over the intervening decades as the old values were lost some people might be willing to go the CS route.

Right. There are generations of Dark Age between the final fall of NEMA and any other civilization, and the formation of what would become the Coalition States. There is no direct correlation between any part of civilization from the Golden Age and what we see in Rifts. Everything in Rifts started from scratch, even if people did occasionally rediscover things.

With the noted exceptions of The Republic of Japan, TRIAX Industries, the Tundra Rangers, the Sovietski, the Geo Front, the Republicans and Mindwerks.

[Jason Richards]

Right.