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Larsen · Unread post by **Larsen** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:45 pm

So what is beyond the supernatural like? based on what i just read about someone displaying telekinesis in public and there being a problem with it Im guessing its modern day with powers or magic or something hidden in an underworld society? Or am i just way off base here? just tell me wut this game is about. I have no idea im a rifts player

Mike Taylor · Unread post by **Mike Taylor** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 4:23 am

The original Beyond the Supernatural was fairly open-ended in its approaches to supernatural horror and dark fantasy. One could easily play from a Lovecraftean perspective, a Doctor Who one ("Eldrad MUST live..."), a Joss Whedon/Buffy/Angel one, or even a "Supernatural Humor" Ghostbusters-like standpoint. The current BTS game I am playing in takes this last approach.

Tinker Dragoon · Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:38 pm

Excerpted from Rifter #26:

Kevin Siembieda wrote: The two central concepts behind Beyond the Supernatural were and still are, 1) magic and the supernatural are real, and, 2) few people accept the truth. This latter part was the most important aspect best presented by the fictional character of Doctor Victor Lazlo; that the supernatural -- ghosts, vampires, werewolves, demons, and all manner of horrors -- is real, and that these creatures have co-existed with humankind since the dawn of man. The problem is modern humans have decided that they are not real. Blinded by arrogance, and perhaps fear, and armed with science, such supernatural reality has been pushed away as superstition and wild imaginings, relegating those who suggest they are real to the realm of lunatics and charlatans. Anyone who dares to claim "mythical" magic and monsters are real gets chastised, laughed at, and dismissed as misguided souls at best, liars, crackpots, and con artists at worst.

That pervasive and pernicious denial of the truth has created a shadowy underground world where magic, monsters, and the supernatural flourish. A co-existing reality where the holders of arcane knowledge and beings as far removed from humanity as one can imagine roam freely without the restraints of society, morality, the law or retribution. A world inhabited by predators and prey, the hunters and the hunted, the wise and the helpless, master and victim. This is our modern world beyond the light of day, beyond our precious view of reality.

Larsen · Unread post by **Larsen** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:11 pm

sounds cool maybe ill pick up the first book next time i got some money

Sureshot · Unread post by **Sureshot** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:48 pm

Unless KS had changed the Bos second edition world significantly it is also the 20th century version of Pre-Rifts Earth.

Shawn Merrow · Unread post by **Shawn Merrow** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:18 am

memorax wrote:Unless KS had changed the Bos second edition world significantly it is also the 20th century version of Pre-Rifts Earth.

In Rifter #2 Kevin said Beyond the Supernatural was not the past of Rifts Earth.

Larsen · Unread post by **Larsen** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:20 am

k but could a gm play like it was if he/she so wished?

Tinker Dragoon · Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:04 pm

Of course. Anything and everything in the game is subject to the GM.

Heroes Unlimited (origin of the KLS and Cyberworks corporations who made the Glitter Boys and Archie-3) is also a strong candidate for the past of Rifts, but officially all the different Palladium game settings are just parallel dimensions (except for Chaos Earth, which is part of the Rifts timeline).

Just go with what's fun. :ok:

pblackcrow · Unread post by **pblackcrow** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 1:22 pm

Larsen wrote:So what is beyond the supernatural like? based on what i just read about someone displaying telekinesis in public and there being a problem with it Im guessing its modern day with powers or magic or something hidden in an underworld society? Or am i just way off base here? just tell me wut this game is about. I have no idea im a rifts player

Yes, it's modern day, with mostly underworld societies. Other then the Psy Healers and Sensetives. Which have grown in popularity over the years.

Sureshot · Unread post by **Sureshot** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:49 pm

Tinker Dragoon wrote:Of course. Anything and everything in the game is subject to the GM.

Heroes Unlimited (origin of the KLS and Cyberworks corporations who made the Glitter Boys and Archie-3) is also a strong candidate for the past of Rifts, but officially all the different Palladium game settings are just parallel dimensions (except for Chaos Earth, which is part of the Rifts timeline).

Just go with what's fun.

While I agree it's fun I wish they would be a little more consistent with their backgrounds. All these constant changes to the backgrounds can get a little annoying.

Larsen · Unread post by **Larsen** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:37 pm

So if I asked a store to order a copy of bts they wouldn't be able to get one until the new one came out right? I ask because I'm guessing bts 1st edition is out of print by the lack of order availablity on the main index.

pblackcrow · Unread post by **pblackcrow** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:54 pm

There are other places to get a copy of first edition... www.half.com for example.

pblackcrow · Unread post by **pblackcrow** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:15 am

True! I have used things from GURPS in BtS before

Mike Taylor · Unread post by **Mike Taylor** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 1:01 am

I'm of two minds when it comes to metaplot, which is what you're talking about Tiara. On the one hand, it can provide innumerable plot hooks. On the other, it can really hamstring you if you want your characters to be the ones having all of the earthshattering adventures that change the fate of the world.

Metaplot has been a major element of most of the game lines that have come out in the past decade and existed to some extent since the hobby was established in 1974. Thankfully, with the advent of games like All Flesh Must Be Eaten, Terra Primate, and the latest versions of D&D, we seem to be swinging back in the direction of games where the GM and his players pretty much direct the flow of major events.

welvrin · Unread post by **welvrin** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:06 pm

TRUE BTS IS A PARREL UNIVERSE BUT IF YOU THE GM WANT IT CAN PART OF THE TIMELINE.

IT DOES NOT MATTER ABOUT WHETHER IT IS OR IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS HAVING FUN WITH IT.

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