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dethbegins wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:40 am I personally consider each attack to be something time based, if you can feasibly use 4 weapons at once in 15 seconds, you should. However, i borrow from BattleTech, where each round happens at the same time, but the damage isn't calculated until the end of the round. Helps keep everyone's actions within a set amount of time, while being time efficient and reliably accurate to the players needs and intent. Other than that, each attack is precalculated to its max possible potential, so everything is as dangerous as possible. When it comes to actually rolling though, I personally let them roll once per combat, and the damage they roll is their reliable damage form.

glitterboy2098 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:56 am


there is a lot more to it, like how multi-action attacks work and some minor eratta work to deal with edge cases, but that's the basic gist of it. 13eowulf here on the forums developed it, and it works pretty well in balancing things.

glitterboy2098 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 3:12 pm i'll PM you.

glitterboy2098 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:56 am most of the groups i'm in have adopted the 'phases' system to address this.. the 15 second melee round is broken into 5 phases. in each phase, you can perform one attack/action, unless you have more than 5 attacks/actions, at which point you can do 2 per phase using up the extras. if for some reason you have more than 10 ApM, you can do three a phase, etc. if you have less than 5 attacks, you can only do something if you have an attack to use that phase. for for example, a higher level character with a HTH giving them 6 attacks would be able to do one attack per phase, with one phase of choice having two attacks/actions. an intro level char with only 4 attacks would be able to attack or act in 4 out of the 5 phases, with the player deciding when he can't do anything. this helps reduce the cheese of high ApM characters like juicers, as they just become multitaskers instead of being able to act unopposed when everyone else runs out of attacks. it also benefits robot and PA pilots, since they usually get extra ApM with their robot/PA combat skills, and this set up allows them to do things like fire multiple weapons a phase using the extra, or use their guns and run specialty equipment.

mobuttu wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:22 pm

glitterboy2098 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:56 am most of the groups i'm in have adopted the 'phases' system to address this.. the 15 second melee round is broken into 5 phases. in each phase, you can perform one attack/action, unless you have more than 5 attacks/actions, at which point you can do 2 per phase using up the extras. if for some reason you have more than 10 ApM, you can do three a phase, etc. if you have less than 5 attacks, you can only do something if you have an attack to use that phase. for for example, a higher level character with a HTH giving them 6 attacks would be able to do one attack per phase, with one phase of choice having two attacks/actions. an intro level char with only 4 attacks would be able to attack or act in 4 out of the 5 phases, with the player deciding when he can't do anything. this helps reduce the cheese of high ApM characters like juicers, as they just become multitaskers instead of being able to act unopposed when everyone else runs out of attacks. it also benefits robot and PA pilots, since they usually get extra ApM with their robot/PA combat skills, and this set up allows them to do things like fire multiple weapons a phase using the extra, or use their guns and run specialty equipment.

Would it be something like this?

13eowulf wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:43 am But as well it wouldn't be locked into those patterns. Different characters with the same amount of attacks might spread them out different (outside of those with 5 who would have no "spread out" options, so to speak). And a character could change the spread round to round, or at least that is how I ran it.

Grazzik wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:23 am Movement happens at the same time as action,

The_Livewire wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:08 am I've been looking at stealing Pathfinder 2's action system. X actions 1 reaction mechanic. Each action can be a move, attack, manipulate or other action. The reaction can be a traditional Palladium style dodge. "Parry/Doge" actions spent would add a penalty to people trying to hit you until your next turn. Not sure how much of one. -2? -4?

dethbegins wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:40 am I personally consider each attack to be something time based, if you can feasibly use 4 weapons at once in 15 seconds, you should. However, i borrow from BattleTech, where each round happens at the same time, but the damage isn't calculated until the end of the round. Helps keep everyone's actions within a set amount of time, while being time efficient and reliably accurate to the players needs and intent. Other than that, each attack is precalculated to its max possible potential, so everything is as dangerous as possible. When it comes to actually rolling though, I personally let them roll once per combat, and the damage they roll is their reliable damage form.

glitterboy2098 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:56 am

dethbegins wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:40 am I personally consider each attack to be something time based, if you can feasibly use 4 weapons at once in 15 seconds, you should. However, i borrow from BattleTech, where each round happens at the same time, but the damage isn't calculated until the end of the round. Helps keep everyone's actions within a set amount of time, while being time efficient and reliably accurate to the players needs and intent. Other than that, each attack is precalculated to its max possible potential, so everything is as dangerous as possible. When it comes to actually rolling though, I personally let them roll once per combat, and the damage they roll is their reliable damage form.

most of the groups i'm in have adopted the 'phases' system to address this.. the 15 second melee round is broken into 5 phases. in each phase, you can perform one attack/action, unless you have more than 5 attacks/actions, at which point you can do 2 per phase using up the extras. if for some reason you have more than 10 ApM, you can do three a phase, etc. if you have less than 5 attacks, you can only do something if you have an attack to use that phase. for for example, a higher level character with a HTH giving them 6 attacks would be able to do one attack per phase, with one phase of choice having two attacks/actions. an intro level char with only 4 attacks would be able to attack or act in 4 out of the 5 phases, with the player deciding when he can't do anything. this helps reduce the cheese of high ApM characters like juicers, as they just become multitaskers instead of being able to act unopposed when everyone else runs out of attacks. it also benefits robot and PA pilots, since they usually get extra ApM with their robot/PA combat skills, and this set up allows them to do things like fire multiple weapons a phase using the extra, or use their guns and run specialty equipment.

there is a lot more to it, like how multi-action attacks work and some minor eratta work to deal with edge cases, but that's the basic gist of it. Jefffar here on the forums developed it, and it works pretty well in balancing things.